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| 2009-01-08 00:01 <CIA-8> tryton: matb roundup * #735/Update: IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "account_journal_type_code_uniq": [new] On update of an older database: [Wed Jan 07 23:51:59 2009] INFO:init:module:account_statement:loading statement.xml [Wed Jan 07 23:52:01 20 ... | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:03 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: stock moves are created from the actual location of products to the output zone, this allow to see in the packing where to go to find the products | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:04 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: so visualy you see that moves listed on the first tab change their status from draft to assign (if the product are available in the default location, if not the From Location is also updated | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:06 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: if only a part of the product are available on that location the quantity a decreased accordingly and another move is created with a From Location where the same product is avalaible | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:07 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 225:f7073118f76b party/party.py: Change party order for ASC | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:08 <CIA-8> tryton: ced roundup * #728/order_field for party seems not to work: [resolved] It is by name desc but I just change it for asc. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:09 <CIA-8> tryton: ced roundup * #735/Update: IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "account_journal_type_code_uniq": [resolved] It was due to bad xml files. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:12 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: this may help: http://www.tryton.org/doc/branches/1.0/modules/stock/doc/index.html | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:13 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah I've read that I just don't understand how all these pieces fit together. | ||
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| 2009-01-08 00:15 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: the doc is a bit dry, unfortunately | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:19 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: When I click assign nothing happens though the state is just stuck on Draft. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:20 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: this is because there is not enough product in the stock for assignation | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:20 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: see https://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue540 | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:20 <vengfulsquirrel> oh crap nevermind yeah I thought the location was child to Storage Zone but its not | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:20 <cedk> there is some improvement to do | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:21 <vengfulsquirrel> okay well that's one problem that probably i can solve, I still cna't open the invoice though because it says there is no Period for the date although I've added a Fiscal Year and a monthly Period, does something else need to be done ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:23 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: are you sure that there is a period for the invoice date | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:24 <vengfulsquirrel> Hmm yeah but all the periods are closed although the Fiscal Year is open. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:24 <vengfulsquirrel> Can I re-open a period? | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:25 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:25 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: there is a wizard | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:26 <vengfulsquirrel> Sorry, crap, I didn't realize I had to go to periods and then edit the period and then re-open it. I was trying to do it from the list of periods provided while editing the Fiscal Year. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:28 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it is an other things on the TODO list, adding actions on one2many list | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:29 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah once you know how to do it though its not that big of a deal since re-opening/closing doesn't happen that often. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:30 <vengfulsquirrel> Or well I'd imagine it wouldn't happen very often, I really have no idea. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:30 <cedk> yes, but it is better to have users find stuff where they think they are | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:32 <vengfulsquirrel> Yes, of course. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:32 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: by the way, you are from canada? | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:32 <vengfulsquirrel> California, United States | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:33 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: ha ok, ca in the ip address is for california :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:34 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: about accounting stuff maybe there is some stuff that doesn't match the america accounting | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:34 <cedk> don't hesitate to report us | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:34 <cedk> as we have not some much knowledge in america accounting | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:34 <vengfulsquirrel> I honestly know nothing about accounting, but if I learn about US accounting then I will. | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:35 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I know that there is not VAT, but it is not a problem with Tryton as you just let the field empty | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:36 <vengfulsquirrel> VAT is for European taxes right ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:37 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it is used in Europe but also in some other countries | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:39 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: we have setup a project for vat number: http://code.google.com/p/vatnumber/ | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:43 <cedk> I'm going to sleep | ||
| 2009-01-08 00:43 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: bye | ||
| 2009-01-08 01:20 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Thanks, talk to you tomorrow. | ||
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| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> if i install the server to one of the clients and i porvide initially only 3 modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> then after 3 months he needs a 4th one | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> is is just enough to copy the module on trytond directory | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> run the install stuff | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> and it will work | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:34 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:36 <cristi_an> and relate to update ...the same... ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:36 <Timitos> cristi_an: yes for new module. for update you need to take care that you do not rename fields or make problematic changes to field types | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:38 <cristi_an> so on update not modifiye existing fileds in the database | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:38 <cristi_an> but new one may be added | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:39 <Timitos> cristi_an: yes. and there is some possibility to modify existing fields. but be careful with this. | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:39 <cristi_an> thx | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:39 <Timitos> cristi_an: an example of a field modification: http://hg.tryton.org/hgwebdir.cgi/modules/account_invoice/rev/e9ba643f3192 | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:40 <Timitos> cristi_an: this kind would be a good way for modifying a field i think. | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:41 <cristi_an> i see | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:42 <Timitos> afk | ||
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| 2009-01-08 10:47 <bepivin> hello | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:48 <bepivin> nayone can help? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:49 <bepivin> anyone can help? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:49 <cedk> bepivin: for what? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:49 <bepivin> hi cedk | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:50 <bepivin> i would to know if i could install tryton on a pc where is installed also openerp | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:51 <cedk> bepivin: it must have no issue, except perhaps that you will see openerp database in the tryton client | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:52 <bepivin> ah ok. are there any doc on installation steps or are the same of tiny? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:52 <bepivin> server, then initdb then client | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:53 <cedk> bepivin: yes globally | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:53 <bepivin> ok thanks very much | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:53 <bepivin> any italian here? | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:56 <Timitos> bepivin: not today | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:59 <bepivin> ok last question :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 10:59 <bepivin> are the binary releases? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:00 <bepivin> i see tryton-setup-1.0.2.exe | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:00 <bepivin> what is the last stable version? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:00 <bepivin> i'm on winxp | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:01 <Timitos> bepivin: you can use tryton-1.0.2.exe it is the tryton client. and this one does not need installation. just use it. | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:01 <Timitos> bepivin: for the server there is not exe as installation of the server on windows is not recommended | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:02 <bepivin> mmm | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:03 <bepivin> bad news for me | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:03 <bepivin> ok thanks Timitos | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:03 <Timitos> you are welcome | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:03 <Timitos> afk | ||
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| 2009-01-08 11:06 <cedk> bepivin: but you can install the server on windows, you just need to install python, postgresql and some python modules | ||
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| 2009-01-08 11:14 <bepivin> thanks cedk | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:15 <bepivin> you mean i have to compile | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:15 <bepivin> ore execute the sources? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:16 <cedk> bepivin: just execute de source | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:16 <bepivin> ok | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:16 <cedk> bepivin: there is win exe for python, postgresql and python modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:17 <bepivin> yes i have postrgres already installed | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:17 <cedk> we should perhaps think about making a exe for the server also | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:17 <bepivin> i think it can attract more people | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:17 <bepivin> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:18 <bepivin> (if you want to attract more) | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:18 <cedk> bepivin: the only thinhs is that we don't think it is good to run on windows with production data | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:19 <cedk> bepivin: by the way, if you want first make some tests, you can use the demo server | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:20 <bepivin> mmm i don't know the pros and cons, because i'm not a python expert | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:20 <cedk> bepivin: it is completly useful | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:20 <bepivin> but i see a server in tiny/openerp | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:20 <bepivin> and then... | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:21 <cedk> bepivin: for me this server is not good, because it doesn't give the power to the user to configure his database server | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:21 <bepivin> what you mean 'configure'? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:22 <cedk> bepivin: yes, postgresql is a server so you must create a system user, give grant access etc... | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:22 <bepivin> ok | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:22 <bepivin> i've done this | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:22 <bepivin> with windows | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <bepivin> no problem for me | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <bepivin> pgadmin is ok | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <oversize> hi, as you guys are the only i know that use roundup, i thought maybe one has a hint for why i get this error: http://dpaste.com/106676/ !? thank you :D | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <bepivin> i'm also in adempiere erp | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <bepivin> no problem | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:23 <cedk> bepivin: if we make a server exe, we will not embeded postgresql | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> obviously | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> postgres | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> server | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> client | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> 3 pieces | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:24 <bepivin> 3 setup | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:25 <cedk> bepivin: more the modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:26 <bepivin> yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:26 <bepivin> in tiny base modules are installed with server setup | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:28 <bepivin> i remember a year ago i've installed tiny server (with sources): a nightmare | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:28 <bepivin> (on win xp) | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:31 <udono> cedk: hi, is it hard to create an exe file from the current tryton 1.1? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:32 <udono> cedk: I mean the client only? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:35 <udono> cedk: its another topic then from bepivin... (but they look similar :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:40 <cedk> udono: you need a python env, and run python setup.py py2exe | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:40 <cedk> udono: and after makensis setup.nsi | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:41 <udono> cedk: I need to create it on Windows? | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:43 <udono> cedk: sh** I can't create by myself... have no python on windows | ||
| 2009-01-08 11:44 <cedk> udono: I try with cross-compile, but it doesn't work | ||
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| 2009-01-08 12:34 <ikks> Ey, openerp will use also .rst and sphinx for the new documentation. | ||
| 2009-01-08 12:35 <ikks> http://www.openerp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27553 | ||
| 2009-01-08 12:43 <cedk> ikks: we show their the right way :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 12:43 <ikks> cedk :) | ||
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| 2009-01-08 12:59 <cristi_an> since the client acts like a browser it createa a connection on each server side action ? or there is a socket connection active as the app starts ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:00 <cedk> cristi_an: only one connection | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:27 <cedk> oversize: which backend do you use? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:40 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 415:a841f48ad224 stock/location.py: Improve test on product in context and fix some guidelines | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:43 <oversize> cedk: postgresql | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:43 <cedk> oversize: so it is just an error of transaction | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:44 <cedk> oversize: you must have two user that write the same records | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:44 <oversize> cedk: two users try t write to the same record which causes this? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:45 <oversize> hm strange, as there is just the roundup user accessing this db | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:46 <cedk> oversize: we don't use postgresql as backend | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:46 <cedk> oversize: do you know which kind of connection roundup open to postgresql ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:46 <oversize> yeah, well, i switched to postgres so i can have fulltext search including the issues title | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:47 <oversize> what you mean with "which kind of connection" ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:47 <oversize> how many ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:47 <oversize> and, short answer, no :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:50 <cedk> oversize: args they use psycopg1 | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:50 <oversize> well i use pscyopg2, i think | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:51 <oversize> py25-psycopg2-2.0.8 The high performance Python adapter for PostgreSQ | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:51 <oversize> well, thanks, will try on roundup list :D | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:51 <cedk> oversize: yes but they use the old backport | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:51 <oversize> this has about zero activity thoug, which i thought i just ask here :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:52 <cedk> oversize: how do you connect to roundup ? roundup standalone, cgi ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:52 <oversize> what you mean? i thought when i install psycopg on my path, roudup would use that | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:52 <oversize> standalone | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:53 <cedk> oversize: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/roundup/backends/back_postgresql.py line 18 | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:53 <cedk> oversize: ok, it will not be a concurent thread access | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:54 <cedk> oversize: we use sqlite, and there is no issue for that | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:55 <oversize> if i understand it right, its just the timestamp of the session age that gets modified, which i hope wont cause so much trouble for me. | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:56 <oversize> so roundup uses psycopg2 but handles it as psycopg1 ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:57 <cedk> oversize: yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:58 <cedk> oversize: I don't think it is just the session, I think it can be any timestamp of any records | ||
| 2009-01-08 13:59 <cedk> oversize: maybe ask on roundup mailling list | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:00 <oversize> yes i will, asked here cause i thought i get a faster answer :D | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:00 <oversize> anyway thank you 8) | ||
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| 2009-01-08 14:42 <CIA-8> tryton: Timitos roundup * #736/AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'id': [new] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/trytond/netsvc.py", line 282, in run res = method(*msg[2:]) File "/trytond/web_service/obj ... | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:43 <CIA-8> tryton: Timitos roundup * #736/AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'id': [chatting] I tried to assign a packing with a consumable product | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:45 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 416:3e4b79e8cd5e stock/product.py: Fix typo in pick_product consumable for issue736 | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:45 <CIA-8> tryton: ced roundup * #736/AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'id': [resolved] Fix with changeset 3e4b79e8cd5e | ||
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| 2009-01-08 14:47 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 417:441ec572fe30 stock/COPYRIGHT: Update copyright | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:49 <cedk> enlightx: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:49 <cedk> enlightx: I see your post in the openerp forum about psycopg | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:50 <enlightx> cedk: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:50 <cedk> enlightx: I guess we don't have this issue with Tryton ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:51 <enlightx> cedk: it depends on the cursor type you have used | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:51 <enlightx> cedk: just a sec, i'm going to see | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:52 <enlightx> cedk: yes, tryton is using the right approach :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:53 <enlightx> i really don't understand openerp people... | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:54 <cedk> enlightx: I was not aware of this compatibility issue | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:55 <cedk> enlightx: I see that they make many commit to change in the code the encoding | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:56 <enlightx> cedk: yes, but this will be a mess in a not so far future | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:57 <enlightx> even if you use a utf8 postgres instance you have to manually encode a lot of strings | ||
| 2009-01-08 14:57 <cedk> enlightx: and by the way, I find it was very strange for the stability to switch from psycopg1 to psycopg between rc1 and rc2 | ||
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| 2009-01-08 14:59 <enlightx> we will see what is going to happen for the rc3443 :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:00 <cedk> enlightx: :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:00 <cedk> enlightx: in 2034 :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:00 <enlightx> however, i think they still use the old cursor type just to avoid possible compatibility issues with old tinyerp 4.x instances | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:01 <enlightx> but i don't think this is a real problem | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:02 <cedk> enlightx: by the way, it is not the only project to do like that, I see today that roundup also use it | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:02 <enlightx> oh yes, i have the same problem with django | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:04 <cedk> enlightx: strange, because psycopg2 is prety old now | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:05 <cedk> enlightx: it was release in 2006 | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:05 <enlightx> but the code of openerp is older | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:06 <cedk> enlightx: by the way bepivin was looking for italian people, you are italian, no ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:06 <enlightx> yes i am | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:29 <carlos> does anyone know an intuxication.org admin? | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:29 <carlos> seems like their DNS server is down so the service is not available | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:30 <bepivin> ciao enlightx | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:31 <cedk> carlos: try the chan #intuxication | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:31 <enlightx> bepivin: ciao | ||
| 2009-01-08 15:31 <carlos> cedk: thanks | ||
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| 2009-01-08 16:58 <carlos> cedk: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 16:59 <cedk> carlos: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 16:59 <carlos> cedk: I forgot to tell you that I got the trytonerp.es domain a while ago, until we start running a Spanish community on that domain, I'm thinking on redirect it to www.tryton.org/es_ES | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:00 <cristi_an> cedk: i plan to do the same for ro when i will have the ro trnsalation | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:00 <cedk> carlos: ok, no problems | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:01 <carlos> cedk: and btw, I guess my thread about es_ES, fr_FR, etc.. vs. es, fr didn't success, right? ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:01 <cedk> carlos: I had thinking about it, but for now it is not urgent | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:02 <cedk> carlos: but it is not a real issue for the website, but it could be good for Tryton him-self | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:02 <cedk> carlos: because we had fr_FR and perhaps fr_BE | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:03 <cedk> carlos: so you idea is good, as I didn't know this specific behavior of gettext | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:05 <carlos> ok, I agree it's not urgent, just wanted to know whether is something we may want to do in Tryton at some point | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:05 <carlos> about the website, www.tryton.org/es is prettier than www.tryton.org/es_ES :-P | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:06 <carlos> nothing else ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:07 <carlos> ACTION moves back to his char of accounts' cave | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:07 <carlos> s/char/chart/ | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:08 <cedk> carlos: ok it is in the pipeline :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:10 <udono> carlos: Hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:11 <udono> carlos but you have other spain languages like catalan and basque? so the es_ES is not the most bad? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:12 <carlos> udono: well, you are moving to the political field, and that's dangerous... | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:12 <carlos> udono: also, 'es' is for Spanish, the language, not the country | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:12 <cedk> udono: es_ES is linked with es_CO, es_AR, etc. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:12 <udono> carlos: as I hit the enter key, I thought of it. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:13 <cedk> and it is right that globaly they will have all the same translation except for some | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:14 <cedk> so it will be bettre to have only on records for es and some for es_ES, es_CO, etc. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:14 <udono> cedk: yes, this is a good solution | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:33 <cristi_an> in terms of license if a firm want a custom module | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:33 <cristi_an> does that custom module has to be public ? may that firm be charged for that module and to keep that for private use ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:35 <udono> cristi_an: no need to public the module, but everyone who has the module can public it as he like. charging for keeping private is not legal use of gpl. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:35 <udono> cristi_an: afaik | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:37 <cristi_an> let me put the problem differently ,then charging for installing the module ? :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:37 <cristi_an> for example i develop oa very custom module for a firm | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:38 <cristi_an> udono: i have to be able to live out of this...so i may ask money for my services right ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:38 <cristi_an> and that module may or maybe made public | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:38 <cristi_an> is this legal ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:39 <udono> cristi_an: If they like, they can put it in the internet, even, when they didn't paied for it afaik. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:39 <udono> cristi_an: afaik, you can charge the developin, installation, courses, written handbooks | ||
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| 2009-01-08 17:41 <cristi_an> ok but if i deliver an exe | ||
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| 2009-01-08 17:42 <cristi_an> udono: maybe the sources obfuscate( if such things exists) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:42 <cristi_an> in python ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:42 <udono> cristi_an: no way, ilegal afaik. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:43 <Timitos> tekknokrat: hi. nice to see you again | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:44 <tekknokrat> hi timitos, nice to see you too | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:45 <yangoon> cristi_an: as long as you use substantial data form tryton, your derived work has to be GPL | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:45 <udono> cristi_an: when you want to "sell" gpl-3 you must guarantee the avail. of the source. Since modules are using the Tryton framework, they must be gpl-3 too. Afaik if you only connect via xmlrpc then you can sell a propritary product, but I don't know exactly. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:46 <bechamel`> cristi_an: if you create a gpl module you are due to provide sources, but nothing prevent you for creating proprietary modules as long as you don't bundle them with tryton itself | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:46 <udono> hi tekknokrat | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:46 <bechamel`> cristi_an: you must distribute it separatly | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:46 <tekknokrat> hi udono | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:47 <bechamel`> there are proprietary module for joomla and firefox for example | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:47 <cristi_an> bechamel`: that is a good sample | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:47 <yangoon> bechamel`: but someone using those modules is entitled to have the sources | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:47 <yangoon> bechamel`: and to publish them, if he likes | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:47 <bechamel`> but if you do so you will loose a lot of advantage of open source | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:48 <cristi_an> i am tallking about an hypotetical problem: a custom odule is developed and istalled on a firm | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:49 <cristi_an> then if the module is made public...may be used by 100 other firms | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:49 <cristi_an> that have that profile as original firm | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:49 <bechamel`> yangoon: no, you can see the module as a modelisation of certain needs, and this module respect some api, but one can imagine a foo-erp that is completely closed source but that provide the api of tryton | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:49 <Timitos> bechamel`: but this is a gpl problem. anybody who has the source can publish it and you need to provide the source if you give the solution to someone other | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:50 <bechamel`> Timitos: i talk about proprietary module not gpl module | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:50 <cristi_an> bechamel`: i talk about a private module as well | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:50 <cristi_an> is possible to have such thing upon a open source ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:51 <cristi_an> framework ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:51 <Timitos> bechamel`: so you mean if it only works through xml-rpc with tryton as cedk mentioned? i also don´t know if this layer is basic enough | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:51 <bechamel`> cristi_an: but if it's the firm that want to keep the code private, its ok to provide gpl module. gpl is there to gives power to the customer, not the software companies | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:53 <bechamel`> cristi_an: yes i think it's possible, but i do not encourage you to do so :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:53 <yangoon> bechamel`: like Timitos says: AFAIK as soon as you use some code from tryton, you have to use GPL | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <bechamel`> Timitos: i talk about a normal module, not via rpc | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <bechamel`> yangoon: yes if you use code, but not if your module follow the api | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <cristi_an> bechamel`: what do you mean normal module ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <yangoon> bechamel`: it is not my understanding of GPL | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <bechamel`> cristi_an: like every modules that have been made | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:54 <Timitos> bechamel`: you cannot have proprietary module if you connect it with tryton. this is not gpl compliant | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <udono> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OOPLang | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <cristi_an> Timitos: i guess you are right | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <udono> Timitos: so you are right. | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <bechamel`> udono: it's the faq not the licence | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <udono> bechamel`: :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:55 <bechamel`> udono: the gpl does tell oo inheritance is derivative work | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:56 <Timitos> bechamel`: i do not understand? | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:57 <bechamel`> udono: for example i know some java frameworks that have been implemented by several poeple, some implementations are opensource, other are not | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:57 <yangoon> bechamel`: I think as soon as you use in a module __tryton__.py, you have used code from the project | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:58 <bechamel`> yangoon: i'm not sure | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:59 <bechamel`> yangoon: once again look at joomla and firefox | ||
| 2009-01-08 17:59 <Timitos> bechamel`: firefox does not have gpl license!! | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:00 <udono> bechamel`: maybe the API is not GPL? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:00 <bechamel`> an api cannot be licenced, it's the implentation that is | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:01 <bechamel`> anyway, creating proprietary module is not a good idea, it easy to look the gui to understand how it works, it's the business stuff that are difficult to understand right, the implementation is easy | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:03 <udono> bechamel`: absolutely. I see no more sense in hiding software then bad code quality... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:04 <bechamel`> udono: :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:05 <udono> and it seems that the XMLRPC is sorted out in gpl V3, too. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AGPLv3InteractingRemotely | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:06 <yangoon> bechamel`: from joomla license faq: It is our opinion that most extensions are derivative works of Joomla! and must be licensed under the GNU GPL. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:06 <bechamel`> but once again if the customer wants to keep the module for him it's ok with the gpl (because the gpl give rights to the customer to get the source but doesn't force him to distributes them) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:06 <yangoon> bechamel`: If you believe your extension is not a derivative work we strongly recommend that you seek professional legal advice. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:07 <yangoon> bechamel`: the customer can do what he wants, but not the dev selling the module | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:10 <Timitos> bechamel`: yes. but there are always two parties (the dev and the customer). both can decide to distribute the solution. the other party cannot restrict this right. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:10 <bechamel`> yangoon: I don't want to create proprietary modules, and I beleive that there is a risk for the one who will do. lawsuit are sometimes a lottery | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:11 <udono> yangoon: bechamel`is right imho that the customer can hide his module he has the right to contribute, but not the duty | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:12 <yangoon> udono: as long as you don't publish or sell you have of course every right to hide | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:16 <bechamel`> Timitos: if a customer give a developper big money to not distribute a module he created, it doesn't break the gpl imho. But if they want to distribute it the gpl force them to release also the code | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:17 <bechamel`> the same way most of the openerp parnters doesn't publish their modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:17 <Timitos> bechamel`: yes. money could help ;-) but you cannot restrict the right of the developer to distribute the solution if he developed it under gpl. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:18 <Timitos> bechamel`: there is no legal way to restrict this right. you can only try to convince the other party (perhaps with money) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:19 <udono> yangoon: for the dev its much more advantageous to contribute the module to the community: Free Bug tracking, free help, finding more new customers for finance the next version... that's the business I see. Not selling the same piece of software again and again. But if the customer still don't want to contribute his paid software development, I would charge him for the loss of community dynamic. The dev need to do everything by himsel | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:20 <bechamel`> Timitos: i don't think so, for example our dev contract state clearly who will be the copyright owner of the future code (b2ck only actualy, but one can imagine the other way around) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:21 <Timitos> bechamel`: yes. this could be perhaps a solution you are right. but i am not sure | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:22 <yangoon> udono: ack | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:22 <bechamel`> and of course IANAL :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:22 <udono> bechamel`: pfui | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:22 <udono> :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:23 <yangoon> udono: we started from the point, if cristi_an is entitled to not publish or obfuscate sources to customers. and there I would state a clear NO. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:23 <udono> yangoon: you are right, imho | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:25 <Timitos> this was a great discussion guys. i think there are many things clear now. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:25 <udono> ACTION thinks another time we complete our monthly legal discussion. Next one will be in February :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:26 <yangoon> bechamel`: I even can't imagine the other way round. even if you sell your copyright, you still have the sources of some GPL code. and you have the freedom to publish it. if you will do it is another thing. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:26 <bechamel`> yangoon: not if the module is created from scratch | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:27 <yangoon> bechamel`: IANAL too, but you know my opinion about __tryton__.py | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:27 <bechamel`> yangoon: and also as i said i'm not sure that a tryton module is a derivative work, as i explained with the java framework | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:28 <udono> yangoon: If he is contracted by the customer, than the contract counts equally. The decision may be easier when you sign: "The dev pay 50.000 EUR to the client when making the source open to the community"... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:28 <yangoon> bechamel`: do you have a link for the java thing? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:29 <cristi_an> btw tryton code is a fork of open erp's | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:29 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:29 <cristi_an> that was possible because open erp has gpl license | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:29 <udono> yangoon: bechamel` http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:29 <yangoon> cristi_an: exactly | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:30 <cristi_an> i just asked because i want to know hwat kind of bussines models can be built aroung tryton | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:30 <bechamel`> yangoon: no i don't even remenber the name | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:31 <udono> cristi_an: ... and they changed the license of openERP to GPL3, too. For better 'collaboration' with Tryton... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:31 <cristi_an> if a do a custom module for ro and i made it pullic..then i do a good thing for comunity but i will do not have anything to eat :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:31 <cristi_an> sorry for asking since i do not have time to check what is the big dif between gpl and gpl3 ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:32 <bechamel`> cristi_an: your customer will pay you for new module, it's your value added | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:32 <cristi_an> bechamel`: but the other companies will get it for free | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:32 <yangoon> cristi_an: and other customization work to do | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:32 <yangoon> cristi_an: all kind of support | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:32 <bechamel`> cristi_an: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/rms-why-gplv3.html | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:33 <bechamel`> cristi_an: a company with an erp but without any support for it is not very serious | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:34 <udono> bechamel`: or its called SAP... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:34 <bechamel`> cristi_an: yes other will do, but if another company want some improvement they will pay you, and they will be ok to pay you because those imporvement will appear on top of something that they have got for free | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:35 <cristi_an> i got it | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:35 <cedk> cristi_an: most of the time companies haven't IT staffs, so they need you to setup Tryton, make backups, etc... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:36 <bechamel`> cristi_an: in the open source business customer pay for a real service not for some proprietary chain | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:36 <cedk> cristi_an: and they will need update and fix | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:36 <cristi_an> for sure ! | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:36 <cedk> cristi_an: of course to start your business you need to invist some of your time | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:36 <cristi_an> i have some customers...and they pay a monthly fee for my services | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cedk> cristi_an: if it is too much for you, try to find other people that want also make an ro account module | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cristi_an> for new legal updates ,for backup,for some custom stuff | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cristi_an> i guess i will keep this model with tryton as well | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cedk> cristi_an: so they paid for your services | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cristi_an> hopefully | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:37 <cristi_an> services..right...but initally they paied the program too many years ago | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:38 <cristi_an> now they will pay instaltion :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:38 <cristi_an> and get the sourcer for free | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:38 <bechamel`> cristi_an: nothing is free :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:38 <cristi_an> + subscription for my services | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:38 <cedk> cristi_an: most of the time, if you do your jobs right, company will not switch or try to make the job out of you | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:39 <cristi_an> cedk: they do not have a chioce unfortunately for them.... | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:39 <carlos> Hmm, I'm having some problems with the chart of accounts terminology in English, In tryton there are 'payable', 'revenue', 'receivable', 'expense' and 'other' (I think 'view' is just to represent an account parent). However, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart_of_accounts I see 'Asset', 'Liability', 'Equity', 'Revenue', 'Expense' and 'Contra-accounts'. The Spanish chart of accounts uses 'Asset' and 'Liability' but I don't know how to map that into tryton | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:39 <cedk> cristi_an: but opensource is a matter of choice | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:39 <cristi_an> having a it stuff is mucm much more expensive then a subciption to a contractor | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:40 <Timitos> carlso: those terms of tryton are only for internal use | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:40 <Timitos> carlos: Asset Liablity Equity: these are account types | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:40 <cedk> carlos: this is type not kind | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:40 <carlos> Ok, I thought kind == type | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:41 <cedk> carlos: it is two different things, kind for internal use, type for balance sheet | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:41 <cedk> cristi_an: don't understand? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:42 <carlos> cedk, Timitos: Which 'kind' should I select for each account? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:42 <Timitos> carlos: need to leave. sorry | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <cedk> carlos: it depends of the use | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <cristi_an> i say it is better for a company to have a subscription with a contractor for a ERP rather then having a full time it stuff as employee | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <cedk> carlos: view: prevent of having move on it | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <cristi_an> and to pay the contractor for his services | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <carlos> Timitos: np, thanks | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:43 <carlos> cedk: yeah, view is the only one I'm sure when should be used ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:44 <cedk> cristi_an: yes, that is the key point :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:45 <cedk> carlos: expense and revenue are used to filter account on product form | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:45 <carlos> cedk: I think that expense and revenue is more or less clear too (phone bill, electricity are expenses and revenue what you get from your customers / selling goods) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:46 <carlos> cedk: what you sell and what you buy, right? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:46 <cedk> carlos: payable and receivable are used to compute the respective amount on party | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:46 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:46 <cedk> carlos: kind is just a way to prevent to select wrong account in some place | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:47 <carlos> cedk: so with payable and receivable, you detect the accounts that you can use to calculate what owns you a party or what owns you to a party, right? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:47 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:47 <carlos> ok, I got it | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:47 <carlos> cedk: thanks | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:48 <carlos> so I need to create the account types in my chart of accounts with account.account.type.template ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:48 <bechamel`> yangoon: the java framwork i talked about is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knopflerfish, which was a proprietary implementation of a protocol. It have been open sourced and i can tell you that proprietary componant exist for it. but knopflerfish is not gpl, it's a bsd licence. But a i said nothing prevent somebody to create a proprietary framework that will mimik the tryton api. | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:52 <udono> bechamel`: so its BSD and free for propritary use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#Proprietary_software_licenses_compatibility | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:53 <bechamel`> udono: yes, i thought it was gpl | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:57 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:58 <udono> bechamel`: but you are right. In german we say something like If there's no claimant, there's no judge. cristi_an ('Wo kein Kläger da kein Richter') :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 18:59 <cedk> for the proprietary module, one thing that can not be done is to distribute it with Tryton. It must be separated packages | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:00 <cedk> what bechamel` try to say, it that you can write your own software (any license) that will be able to run Tryton modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:00 <carlos> cedk: ok, thanks for your input, let's see what I get with all this information ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:00 <cedk> because there is no patent on the API | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:00 <cedk> carlos: you're welcome | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:02 <cristi_an> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:02 <carlos> god, API patents... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:06 <cristi_an> "The Stunnel source code is available under the GNU General Public License, meaning it is free to use in both commercial and non commercial applications as you see fit, as long as you provide source code (and any modifications) with the software" | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:06 <cedk> cristi_an: yes, you can sale Tryton if you want | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:06 <udono> cristi_an: exactly it is with Tryton... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:09 <cristi_an> i will sell only my services | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:09 <cristi_an> that will be enough for me :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:11 <cedk> cristi_an: it will be difficult to sale Tryton as any body can download it :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:13 <cristi_an> hehe :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:13 <udono> cristi_an: ... and your customer will no longer trust you if he recognize :-= | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:13 <cristi_an> i did no know that :))) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:13 <cristi_an> it is public ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:13 <cristi_an> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:14 <cristi_an> maybe you did not know exactly the situation....i asked this because there is A LOT of work LOT for makeing it comatible with ro | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:14 <cristi_an> if i made public my work.... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:15 <cristi_an> then be sure...that i will be left without revenue... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:15 <udono> cristi_an: Its the same than for Germany, Belgium, spain, Romania | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:15 <cristi_an> since RO is not belgium or france | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:15 <cristi_an> udono: NO | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:15 <cristi_an> ro and est european countries mentalities are very much different | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:16 <cristi_an> but that is politics | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:16 <udono> cristi_an: its your entry card for romania, because you are the author of the romanian implementation, nobody can steal it from you.... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:16 <cristi_an> i hope that will be enough... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:17 <cristi_an> now these are only dreams | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:17 <udono> cristi_an: and the knowledge you build is yours, too. | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:17 <cristi_an> thee si a lot of work in that | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:17 <udono> cristi_an: just start with the visuals: translation, chart of accounts | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:17 <cristi_an> i started ... | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <cristi_an> in parralel with doin my own modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <cristi_an> demo ones | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <cristi_an> but only in spare time | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <carlos> cristi_an: look at it in this other form, your work is a not so much as the work for the whole product (Tryton) and your contribution is the way to 'pay' for the other parts of Tryton that you got for free. In addition, other people from Romania will be able to help you to improve your localization once it's released | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <cristi_an> :( | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:18 <cristi_an> carlos: agree with you | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:19 <carlos> there will be people that will not contribute with you, but there will be others that will do it and it will be cheaper for you to maintain it in that way than going you alone | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:20 <carlos> hmm, many uses of 'it'... sorry ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:20 <cristi_an> eh :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:21 <carlos> cedk: how could I get write access to http://code.google.com/p/tryton/w/list ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:22 <cedk> carlos: just ask and provide google account :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:22 <carlos> cedk: I would like to document the chart of accounts creation process | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:23 <carlos> cedk: please, could you give me access to it? :-P | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:24 <cedk> carlos: ok, done | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:25 <carlos> thanks | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:25 <cedk> carlos: try to keep the same way of creating document | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:25 <cedk> carlos: try to not duplicate informations | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:27 <carlos> ok | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:34 <udono> carlos: ... and don't to forget to enrich and clean up all the existing documents with your advice and our opinion :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:35 <carlos> sure, however, I'm not famous for my documentation skills... ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:36 <carlos> but when there is nothing or my documentation... my documentation is good :-P | ||
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| 2009-01-08 19:48 <cristi_an> "Stateless design. Rails wins here because it's also fully HTTP REST compliant while OpenERP doesn't benefit yet the idempotence of most of HTTP methods and use HTTP POST instead to tunnel its XML/RPC, while also supporting the fast NetRPC protocol (similar to Java RMI) or HTTP via eTiny, more specifically a thin Turbogears/CherryPy layer), but that's not as RESTful as Rails yet. " | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:49 <cristi_an> if instead of rails we put tryton this sentece is still valid ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:51 <cedk> cristi_an: I don't understand every sentence, but Tryton is no HTTP REST compliant | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:52 <cristi_an> cedk: thx for pointing this | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:53 <bechamel`> ACTION don't think etiny is a thin layer | ||
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| 2009-01-08 19:55 <cedk> enlightx: did you see the OpenERP answer? | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:56 <enlightx> cedk: yes, right now | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:57 <enlightx> but if that is true, what is causing those problems? | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:57 <enlightx> every export ends in a 'ascii can't decode' | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:58 <enlightx> i think i'm going to work harder on tryton :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:58 <cedk> enlightx: any way, in the code of psycopg2, it is said that using psycopg1: It should be considered a temporary hack to run old code while porting to psycopg 2 | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:58 <cedk> enlightx: I think the issue comes from the switch to psycopg2 | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:59 <cedk> enlightx: in psycopg2 strings are unicode by default, and in psycopg it was str | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:59 <enlightx> both of them (cursor styles) works the same | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:59 <enlightx> the big difference is that the psycopg1 version doesn't keep the correct encoding | ||
| 2009-01-08 19:59 <enlightx> but i didn't investigated | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:00 <enlightx> forcing openerp to use psycopg2 the problem disappear | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:01 <cedk> enlightx: but doesn't seem that they will change it :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:02 <enlightx> eheh, yeah i think so :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:04 <enlightx> cedk: does tryton provide accounting charts? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:05 <cedk> enlightx: for now, only a minimal | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:06 <enlightx> is it hard to port an existing one from openerp? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:06 <cedk> enlightx: I don't think so, but there is some new functionnality in Tryton | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:07 <cedk> enlightx: so you must know how accounting works | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:07 <cedk> enlightx: at least a little | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:08 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1452:f436d1853d06 trytond/setup.py: Fix guidelines | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:08 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1453:41a21b9030b6 trytond/TODO: Add todo for context in xxx2xxx operation | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:08 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1454:3cee85555b87 trytond/: merge | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:09 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 418:2a36e0c10075 stock/inventory.py: Add ondelete CASCADE on inventory lines | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:09 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 419:495eaa0b4870 stock/inventory.py: Order inventory lines by product name | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:09 <CIA-8> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 420:007d06b0bb81 stock/ (inventory.py inventory.xml): Allow to filter on category and product to complete inventory | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:12 <enlightx> cedk: that's not a problem in my case, i have people with good knowledge | ||
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| 2009-01-08 20:21 <LucaSub> hallo. | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:22 <enlightx> LucaSub: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:23 <LucaSub> hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:23 <enlightx> cedk: is someone of you already working on something similar to the openoffice extension they made for openerp? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:25 <enlightx> even if it is not so useful :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:27 <bechamel`> enlightx: in tryton, report templates are odt documents, so one can edit them easily, but maybe the extension provide other features | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:28 <enlightx> bechamel`: i mean an extension which fetch from tryton the fields available | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:29 <cristi_an> bechamel`: i saw in open erp a feature (not needed as feature) ..there is a demo in which they import some uml diagram and ==> a module (crud operations) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:29 <cristi_an> bechamel`: is that hard to have in trytons as well in the future | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:29 <bechamel`> enlightx: no there is no such stuff | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:29 <cristi_an> since is not practical right now but is nice to impress customers :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:29 <enlightx> cristi_an: it's a DIA extension | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:30 <cristi_an> i geuss that is !!! | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:30 <bechamel`> cristi_an: for which purpose ? what's happend if you add something in the source ? you cannot use the generator anymore | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:30 <enlightx> i tryed it, and it works well | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:30 <cristi_an> bechamel`: what you can;t ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:30 <cristi_an> do anymore ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:31 <enlightx> bechamel`: it is useful just to build the initial frame of your code | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:31 <cristi_an> bechamel`: "you cannot use the generator anymore" | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:31 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:32 <bechamel`> cristi_an: it will write over your modifications | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:34 <bechamel`> cristi_an: a real solution should be able to work the both way: if you add a class in the code the dia is updated accordingly, but for the moment it's a dump convertion from xml tag to python class | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:34 <enlightx> we (plone developers) have a similar plugin wich convert uml diagrams built with argouml and convert them to plone plugins | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:34 <enlightx> but keeping your changes | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:34 <bechamel`> enlightx: and it's really usefull ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:35 <cristi_an> plone developers ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:35 <cristi_an> i google it right now :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:35 <enlightx> bechamel`: yes, we use it a lot, but just to build concepts of course | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:35 <enlightx> cristi_an: www.plone.org | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:36 <cristi_an> i am there | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:36 <cristi_an> so you build cms ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:37 <enlightx> cristi_an: plone is more than a cms, is a framework you use to build your own cms (or portal, or intranet or whatever you like :-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:37 <cristi_an> plone is like drupal for phpp ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:37 <cristi_an> but in python i guess | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:37 <enlightx> yes it is written in python :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:37 <cristi_an> or joomla like ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <enlightx> they aren't frameworks | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <enlightx> they are pure cmses | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <cristi_an> heheheh | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <cristi_an> "A light-hearted confession from an ex-Java junkie about why he switched to Python and Plone after several years of mainlining java beans" | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <enlightx> plone is similar to oracle portal for example | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:38 <cristi_an> i see | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:40 <cristi_an> i am java junkiee but not that happy as the above confesioner :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:41 <cristi_an> i wish io would like to rent "cedk or bechamell for 1 week " (jokeing) to spend time and try to understand more and more from tryton | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:42 <enlightx> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:43 <cristi_an> btw cedk ,bechamel` you work in the same office ? or from home ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:43 <cristi_an> or the german ones ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:43 <bechamel`> cristi_an: home | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:44 <bechamel`> cristi_an: if you want one can organise some trainings | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:44 <cristi_an> well i would love it !!!!!!! | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:44 <cristi_an> me too...that sucks :)....bed ,kitchen,computer neverending lifecycle | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:44 <bechamel`> cristi_an: ... but they are not free :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:45 <cristi_an> ok i can pay you in nature :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:45 <bechamel`> cristi_an: hum, thank you, money is ok :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:45 <cristi_an> i can give you potatos,drinks (home made) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:45 <cristi_an> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:46 <cristi_an> really,maybe some trainings are welcomed :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:47 <cristi_an> but first time for free ,second time for money .... | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:47 <enlightx> ACTION thinks that tryton channel is funnier than openerp one | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:47 <bechamel`> cristi_an: the first free time is the chan actualy | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:48 <cristi_an> what can i say you are right ... | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:48 <cristi_an> but a meeting this year will not hurt | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:49 <bechamel`> cristi_an: btw neverending lifecycle is better than neverending traffic jam | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:49 <cristi_an> do you have kids ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:50 <bechamel`> cristi_an: i don't know when i will find time for that but i would like to add some tuto or intorductional documentation, it's really missing | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:50 <bechamel`> cristi_an: no kids, just two cats :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:51 <cristi_an> then i understand you....when you have the kids you'll understnad me and say traffic jam rules | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:51 <bechamel`> lol | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:52 <cristi_an> well i can do that docs...of course english will be revisited | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:53 <cristi_an> bechamel`: you know some java right ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:53 <cristi_an> for me the hardest thing is to make analogies between what is in tryton with some java | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:53 <bechamel`> cristi_an: yes as student | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:54 <cristi_an> for example there is NONE (except a stupid comercial thing ) in java that is similar to tryton client | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:54 <bechamel`> cristi_an: i see python like java but without constrains | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:55 <cristi_an> i mean the client is with desktop widgets but is a thin client it has not logic in it | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:55 <enlightx> cristi_an: this is because java is not the right choice to develop such softwares :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:55 <cristi_an> enlightx: plz elaborate. | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:55 <cristi_an> anything that is in puthon you find in java | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:55 <enlightx> cristi_an: no, really...is not the right language to develop client software | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:56 <carlos> cristi_an: AFAIK, OpenBravo's web client is supposed to be something like tryton's client | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:56 <enlightx> even if depends on the gui libs you use | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:56 <enlightx> carlos: but it's a web software | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:56 <cristi_an> carlos: excuse me (that is bull sh..) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:56 <cristi_an> openbravo | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <cristi_an> slow as hell | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <carlos> cristi_an: I said it's something like, not that is the same ;-) | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <cristi_an> configuration mess | ||
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| 2009-01-08 20:57 <cristi_an> http://www.canoo.com/ulc/ | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <carlos> enlightx: I know, but it's a client for a remote server | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <enlightx> cristi_an: perhaps compiere has a client gui written in java | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <cristi_an> i stuidied compier,adempiere | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <carlos> enlightx: I think it used to have one | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:57 <cristi_an> in adempier i entered in the code | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:58 <cristi_an> it is a nice piece of software for year 2000 | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:58 <cristi_an> in 2000 it was the crown... | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:58 <cristi_an> nothing new was addded on top of Jorg;s code | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:58 <cristi_an> except new modules | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:58 <enlightx> however, the base framework is more important than the language itself | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:59 <cristi_an> enlightx: i agreee with you... | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:59 <cristi_an> but adempiere has a thick client | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:59 <cristi_an> very heavy one | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:59 <enlightx> i'v been a java developer for a lot of years but i never found a good object framework | ||
| 2009-01-08 20:59 <cristi_an> i search weeks to find somethign similar in java | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:00 <enlightx> cristi_an: you can use eclipse for instance | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:00 <cristi_an> but i did not found somehting similar with tryton .open erp | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:00 <cristi_an> enlightx: what do you mena by object framework | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:00 <cristi_an> so my question is WHY ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:01 <cristi_an> sou to language ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:01 <cristi_an> due | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:01 <cristi_an> i doubt that nobody think of that | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <cristi_an> you mean RCP ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <enlightx> cristi_an: if you have to develop something complex you can start from a blank page | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <enlightx> you need ready classes | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <enlightx> ready objects which describe users for example | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <cristi_an> can or can't | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:03 <enlightx> can't sorry :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:04 <cristi_an> yes there is hibernate ,jpa | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:04 <cristi_an> you may create the orm stuff in days for complex applications | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:05 <enlightx> cristi_an: i don't want to build an orm :) i just want to reuse an existing one :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:05 <enlightx> openobject for example is a nice approach | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:05 <enlightx> similar to the plone one | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:06 <cristi_an> agree | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:06 <cristi_an> tryton has a similar base | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:06 <enlightx> yes | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <cristi_an> but there are orm in java | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <cristi_an> i just told you hibernate and jpa (eclipse link) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <cristi_an> so you do not have to build them | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <enlightx> yes, but they aren't so flexible :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <cristi_an> just use it | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:07 <cristi_an> enlightx: i got you now :) what do you mean by that.... | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:08 <cristi_an> tell me one thing that can be done in open object and can;t be done with a java orm | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:09 <cristi_an> anyway tryon and open objects are differnt | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:09 <cristi_an> then hibernate | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:09 <enlightx> it's not a matter of what you can or can't. the difference is the time you need to implement those things :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:09 <cristi_an> do you know something similar with open object and tryton in java ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:11 <enlightx> cristi_an: ibm lotus domino has a similar philosophy | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:11 <cristi_an> let me google it | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:11 <enlightx> but it's more than a framework | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:12 <cristi_an> it would be very very nice to have such a thing in java....BUT | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:12 <cristi_an> enlightx: what can be the reason not having such a thing ? | ||
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| 2009-01-08 21:14 <enlightx> develop something similar to tryton from scrach requires a lot of time, with every language | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:17 <cristi_an> enlightx: but my question was why this was not developed long time ago in java | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:17 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:17 <cristi_an> maybe starting now from 0 can take some time | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:17 <cristi_an> but i doubt it will not be a success | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:17 <cristi_an> since there is not such thing !!! | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:18 <cristi_an> not that i know of !!!! | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:18 <enlightx> because they started a client side software and java is not the best choice in this case | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:19 <enlightx> and also because python is the language of this century :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:20 <cristi_an> btw lotus domino is a monster...may be good for nike or addidas but not for us :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:20 <enlightx> cristi_an: and it's not an erp :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:20 <enlightx> i've started a comparison between dev framework | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:21 <cristi_an> sounds interesting | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:21 <cristi_an> any results ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:22 <enlightx> yes... it relays on your needs :) ihih | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:23 <cristi_an> :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:23 <cristi_an> so where that comparsion may be seen :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:23 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:24 <enlightx> btw, it's not possibile to compare them... every framework has its own pros and cons | ||
| 2009-01-08 21:59 <carlos> ikks: hi | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:00 <ikks> carlos, how is it going? | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:00 <carlos> ikks: fine thanks, what about you? | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:00 <ikks> everything flowing :) | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:01 <carlos> ikks: I have some comments about the Spanish translation. Why did you use 'Manejo Financiero' and 'Gestión de compras' instead of using consistent translations like 'Gestión Financiera' and 'Gestión de compras' ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:02 <carlos> ACTION is talking about 1.0 version | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:02 <carlos> I'm not sure whether you already fixed it with 1.1 | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:04 <ikks> I haven't moved anything to 1.1 version. | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:04 <ikks> But you are certainly right. | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:05 <ikks> It should be 'Gestión' | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:05 <ikks> A lot better | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:05 <ikks> Your review is really important. | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:05 <ikks> and makes sense. | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:06 <carlos> ikks: ok, I'm just starting using the client so now, I'm going to be able to give you some input | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:06 <ikks> ACTION have to rearrange all the environment to be able to get synced | ||
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| 2009-01-08 22:16 <carlos> ikks: btw, I'm not sure whether account_es (http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/account_es/) is a good name for the char of accounts in your country | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:16 <carlos> ikks: as far as I know, even if it's using lower case (lots of confusion... :-( ), the chart of accounts are for countries not languages | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:17 <carlos> cedk: couldn't we use capital letters instead of lower case ones to prevent confusions with language code vs country codes so we are consistent with other country codes usage? | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:18 <ikks> that's true, maybe better to look at it on the mailing list? | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:19 <carlos> hmm, anyway, what's account_es exactly? it doesn't look like a chart of accounts, but an account branch | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:19 <carlos> ikks: yeah, good idea | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:22 <carlos> mail sent | ||
| 2009-01-08 22:51 <vengfulsquirrel> Can anyone think of any major blockers to having assignation process choose substitutes for a given product ?(with custom code) And also if there is anything that parallels that type of idea in an industry? | ||
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| 2009-01-08 23:23 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: i think it should be too difficult to overide the default behaviour for product assignation | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:24 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel`: should or shouldn't ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:25 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: all assignation work is mare in assign_try() in stock/product/py, one can imagine to inherit it (based on substitute relation between products) | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:25 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: sorry, should'nt | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:25 <bechamel`> hem, shouldn't | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:27 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah I was looking at assign_try, but I guess I wasn't sure what would happen when I was selling product A but when doing the packing I was substituting with product B. | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:27 <vengfulsquirrel> I was more worried about it maybe confusing other modules, like I was selling 10 of product A but _really_ I was shipping 10 of product B. | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:29 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: maybe there could be a problem if the invoice is generated after the packing | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:32 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: but this can be easily tested, by changing "by hand" the product on the packing before assigning | ||
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| 2009-01-08 23:39 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: i tested and effectively if the invoice are created "On Packing Sent", the sale order consider that all product haven't been sent yet and it doesn't create the invoice. And it re-create an new customer packing with missing products (wrt the sale order) | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:41 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel`: Thanks! So that means I'd have to do more than just change around assign_try to plug in substitute products. | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:44 <vengfulsquirrel> I think I was actually over-thinking my problem and I can do it with how tryton works now just with a little more work on the user's side. | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:44 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: yes, but i don't see what to change on the sale order to handle this | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:45 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: the biggest problem I see is: which price to put on the invoice ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:47 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel`: Oh well the substitute products wouldn't be saleable, I think I'm trying to solve my problem in the wrong area. | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:48 <vengfulsquirrel> What does it mean for a product to be Consumable ? | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:49 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: it's a product that is stored (not a service) but on for which we do not want to track stock quantities | ||
| 2009-01-08 23:50 <bechamel`> vengfulsquirrel: like small office furniture |
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