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| saxa | heh, today I received an openerp mail announcing their meeting, and saw that tryton is mentioned in it, | 16:52 |
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| saxa | i didnt knew tryton parts will be ported to openerp by their team :) |
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| cedk | saxa: could give a link to this? |
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| saxa | so tryton is a kind of experiment for openerp | 16:53 |
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| saxa | its attached to the mail i received in pdf |
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| saxa | i can mail it to you |
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| cedk | saxa: ok thx | 16:54 |
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| saxa | if you give me the mail where you want it |
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| cedk | saxa: I found Tryton is more a stable version of openerp :-) | 16:55 |
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| saxa | me too, and even much much improved | 16:56 |
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| saxa | i just need more time in a day to get back on doing all the stuff i want |
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| cedk | saxa: since the beginning they said that they will grab best solution from Tryton for OpenERP | 17:13 |
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| cedk | saxa: but in 2 years, I have seen nothing good | 17:14 |
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| cedk | saxa: but it is good for Tryton as OpenERP see in it a good inspiration | 17:15 |
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| saxa | of course , everything has its good side also | 17:22 |
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| saxa | honestly speaking i dont know what were your reasons to fork it at the time |
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| cedk | saxa: I think they can't see good improvement, you can see their discussion about Decimal |
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| saxa | have not saw that, i saw your mails to the ML about that decimal thing | 17:23 |
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| saxa | and about that, i tought, the precision of 6 is ok from what i can think | 17:24 |
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| cedk | saxa: https://lists.launchpad.net/openerp-expert-accounting/msg00082.html |
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| cedk | saxa: you can not rely on float computation if you require not fault computation |
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| saxa | i was thinking that this rounding thing should be done in the way we humans round | 17:32 |
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| saxa | cedk: i know float is not reliable |
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| saxa | so when you select a number of digits it just rounds depending on the last one | 17:38 |
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| saxa | being higher or lover of 5 |
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| saxa | s/lover/lower |
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| cedk | saxa: this is not an issue of rounding | 17:56 |
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| cedk | saxa: it is about precision |
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| cedk | saxa: I will surely send a new email to rvalyi to explain this | 17:58 |
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| cedk | saxa: and if it was only about rounding why OpenERP will use Numeric for database | 17:59 |
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| saxa | probably we dont understand one each other, cedk | 18:18 |
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| saxa | i was talking about trytons message you send about rounding |
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| saxa | few days ago |
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| saxa | or yesterday |
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| cedk | saxa: yes and rounding is not a solution | 18:24 |
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| cedk | saxa: only using Decimal is on |
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| saxa | cedk: ok, could it be i have not understood well the problem in that case. | 19:20 |
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| cedk | saxa: in most case float will work. But we must define if we develope software that will work only by change or if we made strong software | 19:25 |
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| yangoon | cedk: it is perfect | 19:26 |
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| yangoon | it is the first software without rounding issues to my knowledge |
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| cedk | yangoon: Are you sure? | 19:38 |
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| yangoon | cedk: *to my knowledge* means, all comparable softs of this level, I don't know about the big big ones | 19:41 |
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| yangoon | the key is to work with decimal |
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| cedk | yangoon: yes | 19:42 |
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| yangoon | it is surprising how many are using float |
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| cedk | yangoon: I worked for a company that makes business software for bank and they used a kind of Decimal in COBOL | 19:43 |
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| saxa | cedk: ok, i agree, a software should work in all circumstances | 21:17 |
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| cedk | saxa: especially, if you make a platform :-) | 21:18 |
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| cedk | saxa: by the way, I found a lot of rounding issue when working on http://codereview.appspot.com/275044/show | 21:19 |
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| cedk | saxa: but I wrote unittest to prevent regression :-) | 21:21 |
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| saxa | great job | 21:27 |
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| saxa | another thing I wanted to know is about the parties. |
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| saxa | I found for example one interesting thing in dolibarr | 21:28 |
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| saxa | which is that dolibarr has 2 type of parties |
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| saxa | or better, one are confirmed ones, the customers and the suppliers which you work already with | 21:29 |
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| saxa | and another kind are those companies, which are just opportunities, or you dont work with them at the moment |
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| saxa | but they can be potential customers or suppliers |
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| cedk | saxa: I think that tagging parties with attributes like customer, supplier etc. is a wrong way | 21:30 |
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| cedk | saxa: I explain. What is a customer? It is a party that has buy you something |
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| saxa | correct |
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| cedk | saxa: A supplier is a party to which you have buy something | 21:31 |
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| saxa | both are parties |
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| saxa | immagine something like, party are the ones you work already and are real |
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| saxa | proposals are the other ones which are the first time contact | 21:32 |
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| cedk | saxa: so in Tryton, we have in sub-menu entry for customers, suppliers etc. |
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| saxa | and this is not bad, because sometimes it happens that some customer just asks you for a price or quote and then it doesnt buy anything |
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| saxa | its like a one day flies |
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| saxa | so those flies, in tryton you need to put them into the party group and they stay in there for ever | 21:33 |
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| cedk | saxa: why would you want to separate? |
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| cedk | saxa: yes, why would you want to remove it? | 21:34 |
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| saxa | in dolibarr for example its just an oportunity , which becomes a party if he buys something |
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| saxa | because he has never ever more contacted me |
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| cedk | saxa: what is the advantage? I see only disavantage, you must convert it |
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| saxa | ok you convert it by one click |
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| cedk | saxa: and what? |
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| cedk | saxa: yes and you have duplicate data | 21:35 |
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| saxa | but the advantage is that you dont end up with a database of a lot of names which you never ever see anymore |
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| cedk | saxa: and what is the problem? space costs nothing |
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| saxa | why you should have duplicate data ? |
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| cedk | saxa: see gmail, they never delete any email |
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| cedk | saxa: and you will never know if the guys will not come back | 21:36 |
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| saxa | correct, but you dont need to present a list of suppliers and customer to the tax department like here in Italy |
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| cedk | saxa: it doesn't change anything |
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| saxa | we in Italy need to send a list of "official" customers and suppliers |
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| udono | saxa: I thing tagging parties is a good way, not to separate them on a ground level. And a party can be both, confirmed customer, but opportunity for another project. |
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| cedk | saxa: and in belgium, you must provide a list of VAT customer and VAT supplier | 21:37 |
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| saxa | it changes when you need to print the list of customers and of suppliers |
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| saxa | udono: that can work es |
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| cedk | saxa: no problem to do that |
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| udono | saxa: party is a container for all paties in tryton, like account is a container for all accounts. | 21:38 |
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| saxa | ok |
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| cedk | saxa: it is based on well know designer |
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| cedk | udono: what is the name again? |
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| udono | Kelvin Klein |
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| saxa | i tought it was not possible to separate or sub group them |
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| cedk | udono: Larson ? | 21:39 |
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| udono | :-) |
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| cedk | saxa: there is group |
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| udono | Len Silverston |
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| cedk | saxa: but for customer, supplier the information comes from sale and purchase |
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| cedk | udono: yes |
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| cedk | saxa: by the way, there is a proto for sale opportunity: http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/sale_opportunity | 21:40 |
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| udono | and Martin Fowler Martin see http://martinfowler.com/apsupp/roles.pdf | 21:41 |
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| cedk | saxa: you can see how we thought about the concept of oppotunity/leads |
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| saxa | let me check | 21:43 |
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| cedk | ACTION lunch | 21:44 |
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| cedk | ACTION back | 23:18 |
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