IRC logs of #tryton for Thursday, 2011-03-03

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Thu Mar 3 00:00:01 CET 2011
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cedkwhat do you think about this new GUI design: http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/712:44
bechamelcedk: nice, what about putting the button bar above the model title  (IE just under the tabs) ?12:47
cedkbechamel: I find it is more logical to have tab with title and title close to each others12:48
cedkbechamel: and buttons close to search buttons12:48
cedkbechamel: I tried but it looks a little strange12:48
cedkbechamel: SyntaxError: "except Exception as e"12:50
cedkbechamel: there is still some people that uses Python 2.5 :-)12:50
bechamelcedk: ?12:51
cedkbechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.(12:52
cedkbechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.512:52
cedkbechamel: from http://www.b2ck.com/~bch/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/tryton_tdp/12:52
cedkbechamel: itertools.product is only 2.612:52
cedkbechamel: AttributeError: 'property' object has no attribute 'setter'12:55
cedkbechamel: i will fix all those 2.5 issue and send you a patch12:55
bechamelcedk: ok12:55
cedkbechamel: I think default rec_name search should append %12:59
bechamelcedk: yes, I'm not sure which is better, what if I want an exact match ?13:01
bechamelcedk: it's easy for the user to add an extra %13:01
cedkbechamel: exact match with =...13:02
cedkbechamel: how can I make a = search instead of ilike?13:02
bechamelcedk: ok lets say default will append % at the end and =.. will be an exact mach (I will add it)13:04
cedkbechamel: yes and perhaps prepend %13:05
bechamelcedk: it will kill postgres perf, isn't it ?13:06
cedkbechamel: I think ilike operation should always at least one %13:06
cedkbechamel: perhaps for prepend13:06
cedkbechamel: but you should at least append % if there is no % in the string13:07
cedkACTION bbl13:07
bechamelcedk: yes13:07
yangooncedk: I am not really happy with http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/713:12
yangoonsymbols are a subset of menu items, so belong rather to the menu13:13
yangoonadditionaly you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons (you already removed the one for requests)13:14
yangoonif we could have 'sensitive' regions in the status bar to e.g. call form requests, I would be totally ok with this13:17
yangoonthen I would favor also the display of attachment count in the status bar and I wouldn't need this tool bar at all...;)13:18
cedkyangoon: this toolbar is only relevant for the current tab13:32
cedkyangoon: by the way, I'm thinking about moving the form menu into somewhere in the tab13:32
yangooncedk: yes that's the problem:if you want also a toolbar for not tab-related items, you have two toolbars13:32
yangoonthat's what I mean with:  you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons13:33
cedkyangoon: I don't want a toolbar for not tab-related items13:35
cedkyangoon: for the request, you can access it from the user menu entry13:35
cedkand by the way, request should be removed in favor of emails13:36
yangooncedk: you can access all from the menu13:37
yangoonand whether request or email, problem is the same13:37
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cedkyangoon: emails will not be managed by the client13:38
yangooncurrent toolbar offers two additional features over menu: optical display of waitng requests and more important: attachment count13:39
yangoonif we can move attachment count *and* fast accessibilty to the status bar, there would be no real need for a tollbar for keyboard driven workes13:41
yangoonworkers13:41
yangoonfor now I still need it to have information about attachments13:42
cedkyangoon: there is still attachment count13:42
cedkyangoon: waiting request are on the bottom13:43
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udonocedk: Are there other benefits beside GUI design to have a toolbar inside the tabs?13:47
cedkudono: for future, I think we will make tabs floatable13:48
cedkudono: so having a toolbar inside will make it easier13:48
udonocedk: does floatble mean drag 'n drop?13:56
cedkudono: yes13:56
yangooncedk: for a floatable tab it would be indeed essential to have also the menu on the tab13:58
yangooncedk: wouldn't it be better to postpone such changes until we have floatable tabs?13:59
yangoonfor the moment I can only say that it is other behavior than most/all applications I know13:59
udonoyangoon: the menu could stay in the application, as far as I understand.14:02
yangoonbesides that: what happens if I focuse menu and then click New button? are those buttons really related to the tab?14:02
cedkthe menu should stay on the primary window14:03
yangoonudono: does it make sense to have a solitaire tab without menu?14:03
cedkyangoon: buttons only apply to the current tab14:03
udonoyangoon: I meant the opposite: Menu and tab container are the main application.14:05
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udonoand with the design I am unsure, too. It seems unusual in a way.14:10
cedkyangoon: why postpone? It will change nothing14:10
cedkudono: for me, it is more clean than the current one14:10
cedkudono: you have buttons outside tab that work only inside tab14:11
yangooncedk: floating tabs are the only argument for me to find it useful to change the current design in this respect14:15
yangoonsince we don't have them the design change can very well be backponed for me14:16
yangoonand perhaps better to ask on tryton-dev, too, to have more opinions on this subject14:17
udonocedk: yes, but now we have buttons inside tabs on top (tool-bar) and below (actions/reports/wizards)...14:17
cedkyangoon: it goes with the DnD in Tree and the new menu design14:17
cedkudono: and?14:18
cedkudono: more logical14:18
bechamelcedk: are you thinkink about dropping "form" on the main menu ?14:18
cedkbechamel: yes14:19
cedkbechamel: working on it but did not yet find a good place14:19
cedkyangoon: discuss on ML will come when things will be clearly defined14:19
bechamelcedk: imo we should find a way to hide the less used/usefull buttons14:19
bechamelACTION thinks to much buttons makes the user an confused boy14:20
udonocedk: ... for me it looks half-backed, sorry.14:20
bechamels/an/a/14:20
cedkudono: don't understand14:21
bechamelcedk: half-backed means there still work to do14:22
cedkbechamel: udono: yes but what?14:22
udonocedk: I'm unsure and it is not easy, because I lack of a vision/conception of a perfect GUI.14:25
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cedkudono: first there is no perfect GUI :-)14:41
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udonocedk: :-)14:49
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cedknew version with Form menu in tab http://tinypic.com/r/ndtt2w/715:29
bechamelcedk: does this menu appear when the last button of the button bar is clicked ?15:31
cedkbechamel: yes on the arrow15:32
bechamelcedk: maybe we should find a better icon15:33
cedkbechamel: there is no icon15:33
bechamelcedk: what about dropping some icon now (the corresponding actions are now availaible in the down arrow) ?15:35
bechamellike report, wizard, search15:36
bechamelI never click on them15:36
cedkbechamel: because you are an advanced user15:36
cedkbechamel: I never click on any of those buttons15:37
bechamelcedk: next step : drop main menu and replace it with a unique button in rigth of the tab-bar (ala chrome) :) !15:39
cedkbechamel: don't agree :-)15:47
cedkbechamel: this design makes client no more usable with keyboard only15:48
bechamelcedk: what if the button just hide/unhide the top menu :p15:58
cedkbechamel: it doesn't take very much space16:04
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