IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2011-08-10

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Wed Aug 10 00:00:01 CEST 2011
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jbwivout of the box, is tryton intended to be useful as an erp? or is it more of a foundation for developing erps?16:31
pjstevnsjbwiv: the latter16:32
jbwivpjstevns, ok, thanks. do the docs cover what is not there in terms of functional erp? i know they cover what seems to be there, but I'd rather start with what is missing...16:32
pjstevnsjbwiv: I don't follow - you mean steps to bring it up to speed as a function erp?16:34
jbwivpjstevns, yes, or just something like: here are the gaps in tryton. If  you were wishing to build a functional erp on top of tryton, here are the bits you need to worry about creating16:34
pjstevnsThere's been some discussion here and on the list about starting some documentation in that regard. I don't know if anything's been done yet. But it is definitely *not* there now!16:35
pjstevnsIt also very much depends on how you want to use tryton. ymmv.16:36
jbwivpjstevns, we're looking to replace our existing erp system, which has been highly customized for our particular business. I've been looking (only briefly) at openerp, which led me to tryton16:36
jbwivif we don't find a fully functional erp, I'd like to at least identify something which would give us a head start towards developing one16:37
pjstevnsah. Well, developing for tryton is a real pleasure. Most aspects of the API are very well documented. And word has it the API is very, very much cleaner than the openerp one.16:38
pjstevnsI generally need two to three days to develop a custom module and roll it out. Most of that time is spent gearing things around to find the best workflow, and tweaking stuff - mostly reports. Add a day or two for extensive testing and flushing out bugs after deployment.16:40
jbwivpjstevns, what do you use it for?16:40
pjstevnsBut those are always small modules to fit tryton's unixy philosophy.16:41
pjstevnsI use it for accounting/billing of a internet hosting/registry16:41
pjstevnsI also connect a pyramids/pylons based webshop with it over json16:42
pjstevnsOh, and for projects I use it for hour-based billing as well16:42
jbwivpjstevns, ok, interesting. so is it really focused on accounting/billing at the moment? modules-wise that is?16:42
pjstevnsNo, accounting is not the focus. Those are just the most mature core modules. Any serious usage would require quite a few custom modules to fit your business model, reporting and accounting needs, workflows, etc.16:45
jbwivpjstevns, ok, thanks. so are the docs the best place to get a feel for what you can do with tryton?16:45
pjstevnsYes, but also look around for third-party modules on hg.tryton.org and other places like intuxication, and pypi.16:46
pjstevnsAnd dont forget to ask around on the lists.16:47
jbwivpjstevns, ok, great. thank you!16:53
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IldinIs google the best way to search the IRC logs for FAQ, noob stuff, etc.?18:49
cedkIldin: it should be well indexed18:52
IldinOkay, I'll try that out...18:52
Ildincedk, pjstevens: Hello from the USA. Earlier today, pjstevns suggested that Tryton is a "foundation for developing ERPs". I am evaluating Tryton as an OOTB alternative to Quickbooks . I would like to use Tryton for very basic bookkeeping and business management. Am I misguided in thinking that I could make use of Tryton to do my bookkeeping in a office environment of maybe 3 users, and also...19:24
Ildin...make some basic use of the API?19:24
IldinOn a more technical note, would it be possible to back up a database from the standalone SQLite based Neso program, and then restore it to the Postgre backed TrytonD server to be used in production?19:24
cedkIldin: I think Tryton works quiet out-of-box for basic bookkeeping19:26
cedkIldin: but of course it depends on what you mean by "basic" :-)19:27
cedkIldin: we can not convert at the moment a SQLite database into a PostgreSQL one19:27
cedkIldin: indeed I never tried but it is perhaps possible by tuning a dump ?19:28
cedkhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/4581727/convert-sqlite-sql-dump-file-to-postgresql19:29
cedkit seems possible19:29
Ildincedk: I see. What is the function of the "Backup Database" button? Does that export to a foo.sql file which could be imported into Postrgres?19:29
IldinAh.... I will take a look at that....19:29
cedkIldin: on neso, it just gives you the database file19:30
IldinOh, okay...19:30
cedkIldin: and on PostgreSQL it is a binary dump19:30
IldinBy basic bookkeeping, I am think about invoices, bank accounts, transfers, expenses, etc. We have a single location and don't do anything very complicated.19:31
cedkI think also you should let Tryton create the database schema and empty every tables and fill after that with the data only SQLite dump19:32
cedkIldin: there is purchase/sale/invoice and account statement19:32
Ildinone minuite.....19:33
IldinOkay. What do you mean by account statement?19:34
IldinIs that just the running balance of a single account (ex a bank account?)?19:35
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cedkIldin: yes it can be used for that19:35
Ildincedk: Just a clarification about your earlier statement: "works quiet out-of-box" By this, do you mean that it "works quite well out-of-the-box"?19:38
Ildincedk: I think it was just a typo?19:39
cedkIldin: yes I mean you should not need devs to get it work19:39
IldinAh.... Okay.... Thank you for your time! I will continue my evaluation!19:40
cedkIldin: welcome19:41
Ildinpjstevens: If you return and have any input on this, I will continue listening on this IRC channel all day.19:41
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Panderhi all20:13
PanderIn overview of Parties is a filter called "VAT Code: contains" which form do I need to inherit from to replace that with "Categories: contains"20:14
cedkPander: the search fields comes from the fields in tree view with the attributes select="1"20:18
Panderis it this: <tree string="Parties"> ... <field name="vat_code" select="1"/> </tree>20:20
PanderI can find that in trytond/modules/party/party.xml on the file system but how do I find it quickly in the Administration/User Interface/Views ?20:22
cedkPander: search by model20:23
Pandergot it20:26
PanderWould it be wise to replcae the entire "Contact Mechanisms" in Party Form View with simply a label and field for phone and e-mail?20:53
cedkPander: I find it is a bad model20:55
cedkPander: but expect in the party_vcarddav I don't think it is really used for now20:59
cedkonce we will have email integration, it will be wildly used21:01
Panderwe only use phone number and email and the contact mechanisms is too elaborate for the people that have the enter the data for us21:06
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cedkPander: I will suggest you to just create a simpler wrapper over the current schema21:10
Pandercedk: can that prefill the contact mechanisms with empty email and empty phone number?21:13
Pandercedk: or can I also customise the view so that it is a label+field for both. we need to input a lot of parties and userse will not be happy with going inside contact mechanisms all the time21:14
cedkPander: both are doable21:33
PanderI'll go for the later21:38
Panderlatter21:38
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