IRC logs of #tryton for Monday, 2014-02-10

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Mon Feb 10 00:00:01 CET 2014
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pokolicedk: ping15:37
cedkpokoli: pong15:38
pokolicedk: about the sepa_creditor_identifier I was wrong, and it's only required for the company party. So the module is ok15:39
pokolicedk: but i have another concern, about parties of the sepa file15:39
pokolicedk: because presenter can be diferent than the party15:40
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cedkpokoli: what is presenter?15:41
pokolicedk: the person or company that generates the file15:42
cedkpokoli: what is the use case?15:43
pokolicedk: so the owner of the company can be the presenter himself, and the entity which gets the payment is the company15:43
pokolicedk: the InitgPty tag indicates the presenter, and Cdtr tag indicates the company15:45
pokolicedk: so with the current design is not possible to use two diferent parties, as always uses the company party15:46
cedkpokoli: I mean a use case of Tryton where it is not the case15:47
pokolicedk: I don't understand15:48
cedkpokoli: in which case, is it different?15:52
pokolicedk: it's not required but in Spain it's used for some companies15:54
cedkpokoli: I don't understand the use case?15:55
cedkpokoli: how can you generate a payment base on the accounting of a company but for an other company?15:55
pokolicedk: it's not another company15:55
pokolicedk: it's another party, normally a phisical person that generates the file in name of the company15:56
cedkpokoli: you mean the employee?15:57
pokolicedk: normally it's an owner of the company15:57
pokolicedk: but can be the administrative person15:57
pokolicedk: so no every employee but and administrative one15:57
cedkpokoli: could put a property on the Group that returns the company by default16:03
pokolicedk: that should do the trick for us16:04
cedkpokoli: ok, I will update16:07
pokolicedk: thanks, another question: it's possible to apply inheritance in templates? or should I create a new one16:07
cedkpokoli: new one16:08
pokolicedk: So, about sepa_creditor_identifier can be a property also?16:09
pokolicedk: because we need to change the digits 4-7 depending on the payment journal16:10
pokolicedk: but i think this is specific to spain16:10
cedkpokoli: I don't see the point, you always generate SEPA for the company16:14
pokolicedk: digits 4-7 is the suffix, and in spain this is linked to the account16:15
pokolicedk: so the same company with two diferents accounts and different accounts on it can have different sepa_creditor_identifier16:16
cedkpokoli: I think it is in contradication with the norm because the norm says that ID must be unique and never changed16:16
cedkpokoli: and the ID is linked to the party not the account, bank or whatever16:16
cedkpokoli: because the customer must be able to complain about a transaction even if the company has changed/closed his account16:17
pokolicedk: I understand your point, but the customer can also identify the customer because the identifier contains it's vat code16:18
pokolicedk: but let me double check16:18
cedkpokoli: it is not my point, it is the one of the writer of the SEPA norm16:20
cedkthat's why I put the ID on the party and not somewhere else16:20
pokolicedk: but i think it's not linked to the party, it's linked to the bank account16:22
pokolicedk: digits 5-7 indicates "Creditor Business Code"16:22
pokolicedk: so what I understand that the same company can have different business codes16:33
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cedkpokoli: ok, I understand but problem is that we don't have a Model to store "business code"17:04
pokolicedk: in account_payment_es we have this in the bank account, so that's why i was asking for the property :)17:05
cedkpokoli: but business code is not bank account17:06
pokolicedk: I now, but it is the unique place where we need it. For banking file17:08
pokolicedk: And I don't know if this code is used on other countries, or they are only filling with ZZZ17:09
cedkpokoli: It is a matter of flavor of the company17:09
cedkI guess companies who managed different businesses will use it17:09
cedkpokoli: I'm thinking about having teh ZZZ code where we get it now and put in place a mechanism to replace the ZZZ base on a context17:11
pokolicedk: that's what i was thinking when requesting the property17:12
cedkpokoli: is the digit check depends on the business code?17:13
pokolicedk: no, check digits is independent from bussiness code. The bussiness code is excluded for the validation17:14
cedkpokoli: good so a string replace will work17:14
pokolicedk: sure17:15
pokolicedk: if you need more info on the code here is the validation on python-stdnum https://github.com/pokoli/python-stdnum/commit/099078eac6360c547ec7c9c9fe5ff4e5535f96fa17:15
cedkpokoli: I think we should not change the DB design17:46
cedkACTION will think about a flexible path17:46
pokolicedk: for me the replace is enough and I agree that we should no change the DB design17:54
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