IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2017-06-06

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue Jun 6 00:00:01 CEST 2017
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sisalphello, I can't find the form to set stock rules on a product. Can someone help me ?10:44
sisalp(working as admin on demo.tryton.org)10:45
cedksisalp: stock_supply is not activated on demo10:47
sisalpcedk: will stock_supply care about scheduling production orders too ?10:52
pokolisisalp: then you have you use stock_supply_production :)10:52
sisalpcedk: pokoli: thank you, done. I have now an order point menu in stock11:00
sisalpcedk: pokoli: if I set an order point  <produce>, which BOM will be used ?11:01
sisalpcedk: pokoli: (if several BOMs have this product in output list11:02
sisalp)11:02
pokolisisalp: the first one will be used (there is a sequence to order boms)11:04
pokolisisalp: the user can change latter if required11:06
sisalppokoli: ok11:07
sisalppokoli: can a bom include a kind of package of inputs which is not a stockable sub-product, but developped at production level ? (sub-BOM)11:08
pokolipokoli: yes, it can include any good product11:09
sisalppokoli: but will scheduling check that sub-package is available before starting production ?11:09
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pokolisisalp: if not available it will create the production request to produce it11:17
pokolisisalp: stock_supply is a recursive process, so whenever a new move is created (internal or production) the order points are rechecked in order to create new requeriments11:18
sisalppokoli: so Tryton doesn't support multi-level boms ?11:23
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pokolisisalp: yes11:27
pokolisisalp: once you have defined the bom for the product and the bom for the components, you can see it on the BOMTree relation option for products11:28
sisalppokoli: yes it does or yes it doesn't ?11:36
pokolisisalp: yes it does11:36
sisalppokoli: so I can get a single production order for the BOM subtree ?11:37
pokolisisalp: no, you will get (at least) one production order for each level of the tree11:38
sisalppokoli: which is not multi-level BOM iiuc.11:40
cedksisalp: you are talking about phantom BOM11:41
sisalpcedk: yes but no only. Phantom would be a solution for most cases11:45
sisalpcedk: schedule the whole production at once allows to plan resource availability and determine the lead time. don't you think ?11:46
sisalpcedk: regarding multi-level, can I explode the top-level BOM and get all the componenets and ra material of a product ?11:51
sisalps/ra/raw/11:51
pokolisisalp: with current implementation, all the productions will be correctly scheduled using lead times11:52
pokolisisalp: that's the bom tree option that I was talking before11:53
sisalppokoli: I think you understand that the two methodes are not the same and don't provide the same result.11:59
sisalppokoli : we discuss a tree of flat BOMs vs a tree of elements in a BOM12:01
sisalppokoli: cedk: whatever it is, is there a risk of conflict in the design if other features are added later ?12:02
sisalppokoli: cedk: or would a complement require a re-design of the module ?12:03
pokolisisalp: AFAIU nothing prevents you to define all the raw materials in a single bom (producing a flat BOM)12:03
pokolisisalp: but then, I miss some way to know, which components should be combinened together to produce other parts12:05
sisalppokoli: If I need stockable sub-products, the current solution is OK12:06
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sisalppokoli: the case I raise is when you cannot built a subcomponent separatly from the whole. There you only have flat BOMs iiuc12:09
cedksisalp: phantom BOM should not be difficult to implement12:21
sisalpby the way, I'm not sure about the difference between multi-level and phantom BOM. Seems phantom is a way to build lines of multi-level BOMs and explode them.12:22
cedksisalp: what do you named exacly multi-level?12:32
sisalpcedk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_materials12:33
sisalpcedk: and another product : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dynamics365/operations/supply-chain/production-control/bill-of-material-bom12:34
sisalpcedk: it results for me a single production order scheduled when all components and sub-components of all children boms are available.12:36
cedksisalp: this is just the view pokoli was talking about12:39
cedksisalp: it has no implication on the production orders12:39
sisalpcedk : why ?12:40
cedksisalp: it is the definition, it talks only about BoM12:41
sisalpcedk : do you mean we could use several BOMs is a PO ?12:42
cedksisalp: no12:45
sisalpcedk: so why "it has no implication on the production orders" ?12:48
cedksisalp: definition: "it provides a display"12:57
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sisalpcedk: so if we group in a PO production of children with no outputs and parent, we get the result. Is it what you suggest ?13:15
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cedksisalp: yes that's what I call phantom BoM13:39
sisalpcedk: in conclusion, the BOM tree displays multi-levels and a yet-to-add phantom BOM would allow grouping productions. I feel comfortable with this after this discussion.13:45
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sisalphi, is scheduler active on demo ?15:25
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cedksisalp: no15:52
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