IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2008-11-19 #tryton log beginning Wed Nov 19 00:00:01 CET 2008
2008-11-19 00:00 <dtx> Or does it have to be done in the OpenOffice app
2008-11-19 00:00 <yangoon1> dtx there is openoffice.interact to do this
2008-11-19 00:00 <dtx> but doesn't that require a running openoffice though?
2008-11-19 00:00 <dtx> I need it on server side
2008-11-19 00:01 <yangoon1> it is configured in tryton, done by openoffice
2008-11-19 00:01 <yangoon1> it works with OO headless
2008-11-19 00:01 <dtx> hmmm
2008-11-19 00:01 <dtx> I'll have to read on that
2008-11-19 00:02 <yangoon1> AFAIK it doesn't need X
2008-11-19 00:03 <saxa> ok, thx for now, time to sleep
2008-11-19 00:03 <saxa> c u soon ppl
2008-11-19 00:03 <yangoon1> saxa: bye cu
2008-11-19 00:05 <Timitos> saxa: cu
2008-11-19 00:05 <dtx> l8a
2008-11-19 00:14 <cedk> Timitos: I think your first issue, is because you don't put all th eggs in the same directory
2008-11-19 00:15 <cedk> Timitos: so easy_install try to download the dev version of Tryton on the website of pypi but it doesn't find it of course :-)
2008-11-19 00:15 <Timitos> cedk: ok i understand. but the second issue is still a problem for me
2008-11-19 00:15 <cedk> Timitos: The issue for egenix-mx-base, I think it is because the link to download the package from pypi is broken
2008-11-19 00:16 <cedk> Timitos: so i think it is a issue from
2008-11-19 00:16 <yangoon1> cedk: there are many people asking for differences of openerp - tryton
2008-11-19 00:17 <yangoon1> perhaps should be positioned directly on
2008-11-19 00:18 <cedk> yangoon1: I can put a temporary link on the Documentation page
2008-11-19 00:18 <dtx> or in the FAQ ;-)
2008-11-19 00:18 <yangoon1> cedk: yes this would help
2008-11-19 00:19 <yangoon1> dtx: the faq is primarily intended as user faq of the client
2008-11-19 00:19 <cedk> dtx: yes, the faq page seems the best
2008-11-19 00:20 <cedk> just after "So, why forking?"
2008-11-19 00:21 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 175:62dcf4ef9f23 website/documentation/faq.t2t: Add link to Tryton_vs_OpenERP on faq page
2008-11-19 00:21 <cedk> done
2008-11-19 00:22 <cedk> Timitos: for egenix-mx-base, all is good for our point, it is the link on pypi that is missing
2008-11-19 00:23 <cedk> Timitos: I'm going to send a email to egenix com to ask her to fix it
2008-11-19 00:24 <Timitos> cedk: great idea
2008-11-19 00:25 <cedk> Timitos: otherwise to continue your test, you can install egenix-mx-base with the package manager of you distribution
2008-11-19 00:26 <Timitos> cedk: ok i will do so
2008-11-19 00:32 <cedk> Timitos: or you can create the egg with the package:
2008-11-19 00:33 <Timitos> cedk: i already installed the package.
2008-11-19 00:35 <cedk> Timitos: can you keep me inform of your progress with easy_install, like that I could push the change in 1.0 branch
2008-11-19 00:36 <cedk> as for udono it seems to work
2008-11-19 00:37 <Timitos> cedk: i am still working on it. i have some problems with the parameter -i as udono did
2008-11-19 00:53 <Timitos> cedk: i have still a problem with egenix-mx-base. i cannot install egenix-mx-base from distribution as it does not exist for ubuntu 8.04. and i cannot create an egg as it fails with an gcc error.
2008-11-19 00:55 <cedk> Timitos: but you say to me that the package name was python-egenix-mxdatetime
2008-11-19 00:55 <Timitos> cedk: yes but tryton is still looking for egenix-mx-base
2008-11-19 00:57 <cedk> Timitos: do you have this file: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/egenix_mx_base-2.0.5-py2.5.egg-info
2008-11-19 00:58 <Timitos> cedk: no
2008-11-19 01:05 <cedk> Timitos: it seems that ubuntu package doesn't put the file for easy_install
2008-11-19 01:05 <Timitos> cedk: yes i think so
2008-11-19 01:06 <cedk> and I guess that your gcc error is about missing header
2008-11-19 01:06 <cedk> so for debian-like, we must wait for the packages from panthera
2008-11-19 01:06 <Timitos> cedk: there are many many errors
2008-11-19 01:07 <Timitos> i mean with the gcc log
2008-11-19 01:07 <cedk> Timitos: you can copy/paste it
2008-11-19 01:09 <Timitos> cedk: it was too much for the console. this is what i got:
2008-11-19 01:11 <cedk> Timitos: it looks like a cascade error, can you try to have the first line
2008-11-19 01:11 <Timitos> i try
2008-11-19 01:14 <Timitos> cedk: the beginning:
2008-11-19 01:17 <Timitos> cedk: i found a python-egenix-mx-base-dev package. could this be helpful?
2008-11-19 01:18 <yangoon1> Timitos: don't seem to be those headers that are failing
2008-11-19 01:18 <yangoon1> Timitos: just searching which ubuntu package contains time.h
2008-11-19 01:19 <panthera> Timitos: err? just install python-egenix-mxdatetime python-egenix-mxtools and be done with it.
2008-11-19 01:20 <cedk> yangoon1: it must be glibc
2008-11-19 01:20 <yangoon1> then it should be libc6-dev
2008-11-19 01:20 <cedk> panthera: we make a try with easy_install
2008-11-19 01:21 <Timitos> panthera: thx. they are both installed. but tryton is still looking for egenix-mx-base. so no help with these packages. i think that we need to use another setup for ubuntu with these packages you mentioned
2008-11-19 01:23 <Timitos> cedk: we cannot use the dependency egenix-mx-base for tryton when installing on ubuntu i think
2008-11-19 01:23 <yangoon1> Timitos: do you have installed libc6-dev
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r356 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r357 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r358 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <panthera> if you install with, you need to disable those checks as they don't work on debian systems anywa.
2008-11-19 01:23 <panthera> anyway, even.
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r359 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <cedk> panthera: do you know why on debian/ubuntu python module make with setuptools doesn't provide the egg-info?
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r360 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r361 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:23 <CIA-34> tryton: * r362 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
2008-11-19 01:24 <panthera> cedk: we don't need them, they are useless for us.
2008-11-19 01:24 <Timitos> cedk: no i will do it and try again.
2008-11-19 01:24 <cedk> panthera: except for package that doesn't exist yet in debian :-)
2008-11-19 01:25 <cedk> Timitos: so on ubuntu if you want to test easy_install, you must install every things with it
2008-11-19 01:26 <panthera> cedk: true; however, by definition, all software available is in debian. everything not there doesn't exist :)
2008-11-19 01:26 <cedk> panthera: :-))
2008-11-19 01:26 <yangoon1> :D
2008-11-19 01:27 <cedk> panthera: so we really need to be on debian to exist :-)
2008-11-19 01:27 <Timitos> cedk: same error when creating the egg with the new package installed
2008-11-19 01:27 <yangoon1> Timitos: but time.h should now be there
2008-11-19 01:28 <cedk> yes we must look at the next header missing...
2008-11-19 01:28 <yangoon1> Timitos: I think you can cancel your trials
2008-11-19 01:28 <yangoon1> finally you will have to install all python modules with easy-install
2008-11-19 01:29 <panthera> cedk: of course, yes :) but don't worry.. it will happen soon..
2008-11-19 01:29 <Timitos> cedk: yangoon1: for me it is time to go to bed. i have a vast amount of work tomorrow (or better today ;-) )
2008-11-19 01:30 <yangoon1> Timitos: next: python2.5-dev
2008-11-19 01:30 <cedk> Timitos: ok, me toot
2008-11-19 01:30 <panthera> s/2.5//
2008-11-19 01:31 <cedk> Timitos: by the way on my gentoo, I can build egenix-mx-base-3.1.1 without any problems
2008-11-19 01:32 <cedk> good night everybody
2008-11-19 01:32 <Timitos> cedk: yangoon1: the egg build worked!
2008-11-19 01:32 <yangoon1> n8
2008-11-19 01:32 <yangoon1> Timitos: ok!
2008-11-19 01:32 <cedk> Timitos: great
2008-11-19 01:33 <Timitos> so now i get this :-D error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('psycopg2>=2.0')
2008-11-19 01:33 <panthera> ACTION off too
2008-11-19 01:33 <panthera> gnu8
2008-11-19 01:34 <Timitos> cedk: yangoon1: should we work on this better tomorrow? i would highly appreciate this
2008-11-19 01:34 <yangoon1> Timitos: of course
2008-11-19 01:35 <cedk> Timitos: ok
2008-11-19 01:35 <yangoon1> Timitos: if you want to follow the whole chain with easy_install can take longer time
2008-11-19 01:35 <Timitos> yangoon1: ic
2008-11-19 01:35 <Timitos> cu tomorrow
2008-11-19 01:36 <yangoon1> bye
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2008-11-19 09:24 <cedric_b> Congratulation for the release
2008-11-19 09:27 <udono> cedric_b: Thank you
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2008-11-19 09:27 <udono> cedric_b: do you try?
2008-11-19 09:29 <cedric_b> I'll give a try soon
2008-11-19 09:29 <cedric_b> I am curently providing services over OpenERP, but I'al tired of the way the project is managed
2008-11-19 09:30 <udono> cedric_b: what you dislike? What can we do better?
2008-11-19 09:31 <udono> cedric_b: BTW the channel is logged...
2008-11-19 09:31 <cedric_b> Mainly because of the lack of ducumentation for developpers, and the lack of conventions in develepement process
2008-11-19 09:33 <cedric_b> If the developement team of tryton is more open than the openerp's one , i'll probably contribute ;)
2008-11-19 09:33 <udono> cedric_b: Documentation is always hard to maintain and actualize. We changed the distributon of documentation. All doc is now inside the packages you download.
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2008-11-19 09:34 <udono> cedric_b: we only have a wiki for devel topics
2008-11-19 09:34 <udono> cedric_b: and about the devel communications see the
2008-11-19 09:35 <udono> cedric_b: we hardly work with direct communication on IRC. On special topics we call IRC conferences. But I don't know if this work fine in future with more participants.
2008-11-19 09:36 <cedric_b> I am a Rails developper , I found that OpenObject is really far from what i can expect from framework
2008-11-19 09:37 <udono> cedric_b: Tryton changed a lot, for an overview show here
2008-11-19 09:37 <cedric_b> I am curently reading ;)
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2008-11-19 09:40 <cedric_b> evernichon: bonjour Eric
2008-11-19 09:41 <evernichon> bonjour ced
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2008-11-19 09:46 <cedric_b> The modules looks clean. It seem it would be less diffucult to contribute
2008-11-19 09:48 <cedric_b> cedk: nice job
2008-11-19 09:48 <cedk> cedric_b: thanks, it was one of the goal :-)
2008-11-19 09:48 <cedk> cedric_b: like putting docstring as much as possible
2008-11-19 09:49 <cedric_b> This was one of suggestion to OpenObejcts ...
2008-11-19 09:49 <cedk> cedric_b: and break big into simple function to allow override in any place
2008-11-19 09:50 <cedk> For what I see of OpenObjects, it is just a packing of OpenERP without modules
2008-11-19 09:51 <cedric_b> I'll give tryton a try soon. And have a look to the way acoutning works , and if it can be use in france
2008-11-19 09:51 <cedk> cedric_b: normally we take care of french accounting
2008-11-19 09:52 <cedk> except that there is some restrictions that need to be added in a strong way
2008-11-19 09:52 <Timitos> cedric_b: there is still some work to do on accounting. we are in the process of optimization
2008-11-19 09:53 <cedric_b> Ok, if i get enougth time i'll may help
2008-11-19 09:53 <cedric_b> But I am maybe too involved ;)
2008-11-19 09:54 <cedric_b> (I mean in too much projects)
2008-11-19 09:56 <cedk> cedric_b: the main differences between Tryton accounting and OpenERP accounting are:
2008-11-19 09:57 <cedk> - closing fiscalyear without creating new moves
2008-11-19 09:57 <cedk> - strong constraint on moves to have every lines with the same date
2008-11-19 09:58 <cedk> - allow fiscal period without date for ending process
2008-11-19 09:58 <cedk> - double numbering of move (at creation and posting)
2008-11-19 09:59 <cedk> - use of template of chart account (but that I think OpenERP take the idea)
2008-11-19 10:00 <cedric_b> Ok, Have you look at OpenERP 5 ?
2008-11-19 10:01 <Timitos> cedric_b: i tried some while before alpha was released. but the trunk was not usable at this time.
2008-11-19 10:02 <cedk> I follow the devels
2008-11-19 10:03 <cedric_b> Same thing here, it seem that OpenERP 5 will be like 4.2 but with more overriting
2008-11-19 10:03 <cedric_b> I expected code cleaning, and good practives to be applied
2008-11-19 10:04 <cedric_b> %S/pratives/practices
2008-11-19 10:05 <udono> cedric_b: If you are experienced in french accounting, just provide requirements, no code need at all. Our goal is to have a generic accounting module, which is usable in many countrys. All differences between the country requirements will be carried into additional modules...
2008-11-19 10:06 <cedk> cedric_b: I don't think it is the goal of OpenERP, it seems it more adding new "alpha" feature
2008-11-19 10:07 <udono> cedk: they need to catch SAP, so they have to introduce a lot of additional stuff
2008-11-19 10:07 <cedric_b> For the french accounting , I think Christophe Chauvet did a good job with his module for 4.2
2008-11-19 10:08 <udono> cedric_b: is it just the chart of accounts and taxes?
2008-11-19 10:09 <udono> cedric_b: ... or more requirements of french accounting?
2008-11-19 10:09 <cedric_b> Chart of account, , VAT declaration printing, usual reporting as "Bilan" "Compte de resultat" ...
2008-11-19 10:10 <udono> cedric_b: ah, ok, balance and income statements. Sounds interesting.
2008-11-19 10:10 <cedric_b> have a look to this
2008-11-19 10:11 <cedric_b> This is hte best french accounting module I've seen
2008-11-19 10:13 <cedk> cedric_b: ok, thx
2008-11-19 10:15 <cedric_b> Got to work now :) (on obscur openerp code )
2008-11-19 10:20 <udono> cedric_b: keep smile, see you
2008-11-19 10:21 <udono> cedk: did you already push tryton on pypi?
2008-11-19 10:25 <cedric_b> Ok i Had a quick look at the wiki, I may be missed something, but i think most important thing is to give a short documentation on : the ORM, the Views, and maybe on things like wizards and report
2008-11-19 10:26 <cedric_b> (in order to get modules contributors ;))
2008-11-19 10:29 <cedric_b> oops found views documentation in sources
2008-11-19 10:29 <udono> cedric_b: you find everything in doc/
2008-11-19 10:29 <udono> cedric_b: trytond
2008-11-19 10:30 <cedric_b> thanks , i just found it
2008-11-19 10:30 <udono> cedric_b: ...of course not complete
2008-11-19 10:31 <cedric_b> It is a good starting place, i hope there is enougth to contribute ;)
2008-11-19 10:31 <Timitos> udono: cedk and me worked yesterday night on easy_install. there are still some problems. we need to continue our tests today. but i don´t have much time now but later this day.
2008-11-19 10:32 <udono> Timitos: cedk: Iam free today and night...
2008-11-19 10:43 <udono> Timitos: cedk, and I have a Ubuntu installation on my laptop...
2008-11-19 10:57 <cedk> udono: no
2008-11-19 10:58 <cedk> udono: ok, you can try the easy_install like you did on gentoo
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2008-11-19 11:04 <cedk> Timitos: I have a trick to install egenix-mx-base with easy_install
2008-11-19 11:04 <cedk> Timitos: easy_install
2008-11-19 11:07 <cedk> Timitos: un gars de egenix m'a répondu normallement ils vont fixer leur page
2008-11-19 11:08 <Timitos> cedk: i don´t speak any french :-D except bon jour
2008-11-19 11:08 <gadaga> Timitos: ;)
2008-11-19 11:08 <cedk> Timitos: oups sorry
2008-11-19 11:08 <cedk> Timitos: i receive one email from egenix, they will fix the download page normally
2008-11-19 11:09 <Timitos> cedk: great
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2008-11-19 11:43 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 1021:357bedbe4c91 tryton/ (CHANGELOG Allow egg installation
2008-11-19 11:48 <udono> cedk: how many SLOC did the tryton server have?
2008-11-19 11:49 <cedric_b> mx-base provided with current debian is not enougth ?
2008-11-19 11:50 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 1022:6618a92bc90a tryton/ Add extras_require
2008-11-19 11:50 <cedk> udono: 12959 SLOC without the xml
2008-11-19 11:51 <cedk> cedric_b: yes, it is enough but we try to have Tryton completly installable with easy_install
2008-11-19 12:24 <CIA-34> tryton: * r363 /wiki/ Add pyOpenSSL
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2008-11-19 13:44 <cedk> Timitos: easy_install of egenix-mx-base works now
2008-11-19 13:44 <Timitos> cedk: i will try it again.
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2008-11-19 14:37 <udono> cedk: Some questions: works the rights management in general? How deep trytond checks user/group? What about the granularity, can we restrict single records in the database, or tabels/models?
2008-11-19 14:38 <udono> cedk: is XMLRPC and Webdav the same secure?
2008-11-19 14:40 <cedk> udono: right management is made on models with user's group
2008-11-19 14:40 <udono> cedk: ok, thanks
2008-11-19 14:40 <cedk> udono: and we can hide records of a model by user's group
2008-11-19 14:41 <udono> cedk: this fine granularity tryton have?
2008-11-19 14:41 <cedk> udono: OpenERP have implemented also on fields but the current implementation doesn't look good for us
2008-11-19 14:41 <cedk> udono: don't understand your last question
2008-11-19 14:42 <udono> cedk: we can protect single database recordsß
2008-11-19 14:42 <cedk> udono: for xml-rpc and webdav, they use the same right management
2008-11-19 14:42 <cedk> udono: yes
2008-11-19 14:42 <cedk> udono: but it depends of rules, so you must right a rule for it
2008-11-19 14:43 <udono> cedk: what about SSL? Can WebDAV and standard XMLRPC communicate over SSL?
2008-11-19 14:43 <cedk> udono: yes
2008-11-19 14:44 <udono> cedk: Yes I've seen the rules when I checked the Translation....
2008-11-19 14:44 <udono> cedk: and Login? How it works? Is a cleartext password transported?
2008-11-19 14:46 <cedk> udono: yes it is cleartext password except if you use SSL connection
2008-11-19 14:46 <cedk> udono: but the password is send only once at the login
2008-11-19 14:46 <cedk> udono: after that there is a session id
2008-11-19 14:47 <udono> cedk: ok, I understand. Sounds very good.
2008-11-19 14:47 <cedk> udono: it will possible to have authentication with a challenge but it is some codes to write :-)
2008-11-19 14:48 <udono> cedk: another request: Is it possible to change the login mechanism with a module for LDAP or general PAM.
2008-11-19 14:50 <cedk> udono: yes like I do in the OpenERP module
2008-11-19 14:52 <udono> cedk: ok, verry verry cool
2008-11-19 14:58 <udono> cedk: users_ldap
2008-11-19 14:59 <udono> ?
2008-11-19 14:59 <udono>,com_mtree/Itemid,111/task,viewlink/link_id,235/
2008-11-19 15:01 <CIA-34> tryton: matb roundup * #585/item already translated reappearing as untranslated: I just tested on a brandnew database after update to tip and can confirm, that exactly those items are (re)created once again.
2008-11-19 15:03 <CIA-34> tryton: matb roundup * #585/item already translated reappearing as untranslated: JFYI iInstalled modules via -i are: "account" "Buchhaltung" "B2CK" "1.1.0" "" "Installiert" "account_de_skr03_2008" "Deutsc ...
2008-11-19 15:04 <cedk> udono: yes it is this module
2008-11-19 15:06 <udono> cedk: what a pitty, it doesn't have a py file inside, just a pyc.
2008-11-19 15:06 <cedk> udono: check on launchpad
2008-11-19 15:09 <udono> found it:
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2008-11-19 15:18 <Timitos> cedk: easy_install works now when i install the packages libc6-dev python2.5-dev and python-psycopg2 from package management of ubuntu
2008-11-19 15:19 <cedk> Timitos: great
2008-11-19 15:19 <cedk> Timitos: I will push the changes for 1.0
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 1255:0a645546a8dc trytond/ (doc/ trytond/ Increase version number
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 1256:1f2b16d290ad trytond/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Allow egg installation working
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 1257:d36b968ccc8f trytond/CHANGELOG: Add missing changelog
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 300:a6f1f7e3ee23 account/ Increase version number
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 301:81f083590903 account/ (CHANGELOG Allow egg installation
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2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 189:4809255901dc account_invoice/ Increase version number
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 190:b0d5a7578a89 account_invoice/ (CHANGELOG Allow egg installation
2008-11-19 15:20 <CIA-34> tryton: C?dric Krier <> default * 20:fa4414022ce1 account_product/ Increase version number
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2008-11-19 16:21 <udono> cedk: what we can do that the german accounting_de_skr03_2008 chart of accounts is connected to the website? Is the nameing ok?
2008-11-19 16:24 <udono> cedk: I will rewrite the setup script fitting for easy_install tonight.
2008-11-19 16:24 <CIA-34> tryton: * r364 /wiki/ change order of creating a forest as hg init must be done before creating the .hg/hgrc file for the hgforest extenstion
2008-11-19 16:31 <cedk> udono: wait the pakages are not yet on the website
2008-11-19 16:32 <cedk> udono: why is there the year number in the name
2008-11-19 16:34 <udono> cedk: because they change it every year...
2008-11-19 16:34 <Timitos> cedk: there are changes every year. we will provide always the newest version.
2008-11-19 16:34 <udono> soon we will have a 2009 version
2008-11-19 16:34 <Timitos> cedk: we are also thinking about updating older versions for later
2008-11-19 16:35 <cedk> don't understand why it must change every year
2008-11-19 16:36 <yangoon> cedk ask the german government;)
2008-11-19 16:36 <udono> ACTION smells the flavour of german bureaucracy...
2008-11-19 16:36 <cedk> yangoon: yes that is really strange
2008-11-19 16:37 <cedk> and you must always ues the new one
2008-11-19 16:37 <yangoon> cedk: of course
2008-11-19 16:38 <cedk> and what do you do with older account that are removed ?
2008-11-19 16:41 <yangoon> cedk: mostly they are not removed, but indeed sometimes they are renamed
2008-11-19 16:41 <yangoon> cedk: thats why we need history
2008-11-19 16:42 <yangoon> some account in 2006 has other meaning than in 2008, after vat change
2008-11-19 16:45 <cedk> do you know how other software handle this
2008-11-19 16:46 <yangoon> cedk: the soft I am currently working with has complete different plan per accounting period
2008-11-19 16:47 <yangoon> but it is possible to copy over an old plan and use it for new period
2008-11-19 16:48 <udono> lx-office, an german SQL-Ledger fork can handle this partially, too.
2008-11-19 16:48 <yangoon> very partially;)
2008-11-19 16:49 <udono> yangoon: in my workflow it works good... but its hardly simple and customized...
2008-11-19 16:49 <cedk> but if you create a new chart every year, how can you make planning for the futur before having the new account chart
2008-11-19 16:50 <cedk> is there only the name that change ?
2008-11-19 16:51 <yangoon> changes are mostly not heavy, and if they will be, they are published some time ago
2008-11-19 16:52 <Timitos> cedk: in this account chart are stored in other applications more informations. there are accounts with automatic tax computation and so on. so in most cases some of these functions will change. this has in the normal run the effect that also the name changes
2008-11-19 16:52 <cedk> ok, but is there somewhere the rules that the government follow to update the account chart
2008-11-19 16:54 <Timitos> cedk: it is an account chart that is created from a company that is owned by many tax advisors together. there are not really rules about that.
2008-11-19 16:55 <Timitos> cedk: but we are prepared to find out changes fast.
2008-11-19 16:56 <udono> cedk: actully they don't come from the government, but a very strong NGO for tax consultants and advisors.
2008-11-19 16:56 <cedk> Timitos: ok, but how can we make a system without knowning what can happen ?
2008-11-19 16:57 <udono> cedk, make it modular...
2008-11-19 16:57 <udono> ACTION has great ideas...
2008-11-19 16:57 <Timitos> cedk: i will try to sum up the possible changes. so i can send it per email. i think this is to much for irc
2008-11-19 16:59 <Timitos> cedk: we will also create a module for export all account moves to the application of these tax advisors and this is the main reason to use these charts. i think about 80-90% of all tax advisors in germany are using this application. so this is very important for us.
2008-11-19 17:05 <cedk> Timitos: ok, but I try to see how this must work in real life
2008-11-19 17:05 <cedk> how do you handle the change of accounts
2008-11-19 17:05 <cedk> and so on...
2008-11-19 17:06 <Timitos> cedk: yes. this is the problem of the structure of tryton because it only uses one account chart for all years.
2008-11-19 17:06 <Timitos> cedk: perhaps you remember my thoughts about making a check if some account can be used in a special fiscal year
2008-11-19 17:07 <Timitos> i think something like this will be needed
2008-11-19 17:07 <Timitos> cedk: i think that i would not change the account but creat a new one with the same account number
2008-11-19 17:09 <cedk> Timitos: ok but what about fiscal year closing and so on
2008-11-19 17:09 <Timitos> cedk: where is the problem of fiscal year closing?
2008-11-19 17:10 <cedk> what things that can be done is just replace an account with an other one but this is like a one shot
2008-11-19 17:10 <cedk> Timitos: there is no more move for the closing, they are computed on the fly
2008-11-19 17:12 <Timitos> cedk: yes i know. most changes have to do with accounts of income statement. so this is not so problematic. but i think i will find a working solution also for the other ones.
2008-11-19 17:13 <cedk> Timitos: a solution can be the use of the history branch
2008-11-19 17:14 <Timitos> cedk: yes good idea!
2008-11-19 17:14 <cedk> or handle it with code
2008-11-19 17:15 <cedk> like I do with deferrals
2008-11-19 17:21 <Timitos> cedk: both is possible. it seems that i am not so cared about this topic than you. i think it is possible to find a good solution.
2008-11-19 17:21 <cedk> something like Properties field but depending of the fiscalyear
2008-11-19 17:26 <yangoon> cedk: what is the preferred method for remote connection: SSL or VPN?
2008-11-19 17:26 <yangoon> cedk: what is faster?
2008-11-19 17:27 <udono> yangoon: hardware VPN ;-=
2008-11-19 17:27 <cedk> yangoon: for what uses ?
2008-11-19 17:27 <yangoon> connection to remote clients
2008-11-19 17:27 <yangoon> cedk: employees over internet
2008-11-19 17:28 <yangoon> cedk: different companies on one database server
2008-11-19 17:29 <cedk> yangoon: I guess it is to put Tryton services on the web ?
2008-11-19 17:29 <yangoon> cedk: yes
2008-11-19 17:30 <cedk> yangoon: for good security, I will say use a VPN
2008-11-19 17:31 <cedk> because to start the connection, you will need first to be authenticated
2008-11-19 17:31 <cedk> otherwize any body can connect the Tryton server but not login of course
2008-11-19 17:31 <yangoon> cedk: thx, exactly what I guessed
2008-11-19 17:34 <Timitos> cedk: perhaps we could implement authentication with zertificates for the clients later. so only the client with a valid certificate are accepted on the server.
2008-11-19 17:36 <cedk> Timitos: I don't think it is the job of the application server
2008-11-19 17:36 <cedk> for this job the best one is a VPN (like OpenVPN :-)
2008-11-19 17:36 <Timitos> cedk: maybe. it was only an idea
2008-11-19 18:12 <CIA-34> tryton: htgoebel roundup * #593/progress-windows should block "create database" window: [new] When creating a new database, the progess-window is not coupled to the "create database" window. While one can move around the "create datab ...
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2008-11-19 18:40 <CIA-34> tryton: Timitos roundup * #594/vat id prefix - there is something missing: [new] in party formular -> accounting there is only sk available should not be there some more? i have vatnumber not installed
2008-11-19 18:52 <CIA-34> tryton: ced roundup * #594/vat id prefix - there is something missing: [chatting] Do you talk about "VAT Country"?
2008-11-19 18:54 <CIA-34> tryton: ced roundup * #585/item already translated reappearing as untranslated: Can you put all the process you follow?
2008-11-19 18:55 <CIA-34> tryton: Timitos roundup * #594/vat id prefix - there is something missing: yes. sorry. i found out that this field only works with module vatnumber. but i don´t know where those "SK" record comes from. ich think this fi ...
2008-11-19 19:04 <CIA-34> tryton: htgoebel roundup * #595/"set as default": value is not usefull/meaningfull: [new] When setting a default value for a field, the "default value" in the "set defautl value" requester is not meaningful. For example when setti ...
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2008-11-19 20:16 <CIA-34> tryton: htgoebel roundup * #595/"set as default": value is not usefull/meaningfull/translated: [chatting] For a product, the same is true: if type is German "Dienstleitung", the default value in the requester is "service" (English for Dienst ...
2008-11-19 20:19 <udono> cedk: do we have high scale images and logos for tryton?
2008-11-19 20:34 <cedk> udono: everything is in the website repository
2008-11-19 20:38 <udono> cedk: thanks
2008-11-19 20:39 <cedk> udono: otherwise ask bechamel
2008-11-19 20:49 <CIA-34> tryton: htgoebel roundup * #596/product view - accounting - taxes are always visable: [new] In the product view, the tabs "supplier" and "customer" are only visible if the product is "buyable" or "sellable" resp. - which is a good t ...
2008-11-19 21:29 <CIA-34> tryton: matb roundup * #585/item already translated reappearing as untranslated: 1) create new database with the client from tip 2) /usr/local/tryton/trytond/bin/trytond --config /usr/local/tryton/trytond/etc/trytond.conf.own ...
2008-11-19 22:16 <udono> cedk: do you know if bechamel will be online tonight?
2008-11-19 22:22 <cedk> udono: don't know
2008-11-19 22:41 <CIA-34> tryton: htgoebel roundup * #597/product view - accounting - add tax - all taxes are selected: [new] When adding a tax to a product or product category: In the "search: taxes" requester _all_ entries are selected. This is very confusing, sin ...
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2008-11-19 22:48 <udono> cedk: can I send your announcement to and ?
2008-11-19 22:55 <udono> cedk: the english announcement
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2008-11-19 23:26 <yangoon1> cedk: there is an unresolved link on [ANSI-SQL]

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