IRC logs of #tryton for Sunday, 2009-08-30 #tryton log beginning Sun Aug 30 00:00:02 CEST 2009
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2009-08-30 09:14 <gour> morning
2009-08-30 09:15 <gour> in my attempt to find something better than GNUmed, i found out about openerp & its Medical EMR. while exploring them i saw a reference to tryton. how does it compare with openerp-5.x and is there any EMR module for tryton on horizon?
2009-08-30 09:19 <cedk> gour: not in my knowldege
2009-08-30 09:20 <cedk> gour: but it must not be difficult to port the module from OpenERP to Tryton
2009-08-30 09:23 <gour> cedk: hmm, for now i still have problem installing 'medical' in openerp (sent email with the trace to dev), and i need something like 'lite' version of it considering our 'clinic' is very small (two persons doing counselling & homeopathic treatment)
2009-08-30 09:24 <gour> it looks, that tryton is more open than openerp, right?
2009-08-30 09:24 <cedk> gour: I checked the source code of medical module, I think in one day, you can port the module to Tryton
2009-08-30 09:24 <gour> cedk: so, the development of tryton is (still) very similar to openerp?
2009-08-30 09:24 <cedk> gour: it was one of our goals for the fork :-)
2009-08-30 09:25 <gour> what about the dev-docs?
2009-08-30 09:25 <cedk> gour: most of principals are still there
2009-08-30 09:25 <gour> ACTION is learning python for his django (aka: web needs)
2009-08-30 09:25 <cedk> gour: there is
2009-08-30 09:26 <cedk> gour: not complet but a starting point, otherwise there is irc and mailling-list
2009-08-30 09:26 <gour> good
2009-08-30 09:27 <gour> i saw there is thunderbird module for openerp to handle email. something similar for tryton? (although i mostly use gnus & claws-mail)
2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk> gour: not realy, we take a different approch
2009-08-30 09:29 <gour> gnumed could satisfy our needs, but it's packaged very badly and uses wxpython which i'd like to avoid...that's why i'm leaning towards something like openerp/tryton
2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk> gour: we have developped a CardDAV module
2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk>
2009-08-30 09:30 <cedk> it allow to retreive parties as contact on any software that handle CardDAV/WebDAV
2009-08-30 09:30 <cedk> and also creation
2009-08-30 09:31 <gour> hmm
2009-08-30 09:31 <cedk> so most of email software: Thunderbird, Evolution, Outlook (with plugin), Kontact
2009-08-30 09:32 <cedk> gour: what is the feature, you are looking for with the thunderbird plugin?
2009-08-30 09:33 <gour> cedk: well, i'm not 100% sure what thunderbird plugin does...supposing it integrates email stuff with openerp?
2009-08-30 09:34 <gour> cedk: e.g.
2009-08-30 09:34 <cedk> gour: also, I think a big difference between Tryton and OpenERP, is the release process
2009-08-30 09:35 <cedk> gour: we use series for release in which API is keept compatible
2009-08-30 09:35 <cedk> gour: and maintain for long time
2009-08-30 09:35 <gour> cedk: heh, i did not dive into docs (yet), so still have to figure out how those systems work...however, i assume they provide more RAD frameworks than working with wxpython in gnumed
2009-08-30 09:36 <gour> cedk: openerp often changes its API?
2009-08-30 09:37 <cedk> gour: yes, with Tryton or OpenERP, you focus on modelisation of objects and not to the GUI
2009-08-30 09:37 <cedk> gour: yes, if you look at the forum, there is many complain about this
2009-08-30 09:38 <cedk> gour:
2009-08-30 09:38 <cedk> gour: it is the last one
2009-08-30 09:39 <gour> huh, There have already been major changes between the 5.0.1 and the
2009-08-30 09:39 <gour> 5.0.2. minor release, that's bad..."ok, let me try this explaining our needs, then we can deduce what could be better system for us, ok?
2009-08-30 09:39 <cedk> our release policy:
2009-08-30 09:40 <cedk> gour: ok, but perhaps it is better to write an email on the mailling list, there will be more people than today on irc
2009-08-30 09:41 <gour> i like this: "# The server and the client are released: * at the same time; * under the same version number;"
2009-08-30 09:41 <cedk> gour: also at fixed date
2009-08-30 09:41 <gour> gnumed has server-v11 which is supposed to work with client-v0.5 :-/
2009-08-30 09:42 <gour> cedk: you're one of the main forces behind tryton?
2009-08-30 09:42 <cedk> gour: release 1.4.0 is planned for October 19
2009-08-30 09:42 <cedk> gour: yes, I'm
2009-08-30 09:42 <gour> cedk: so,i believe that you can tell me if tryton is ok for our needs
2009-08-30 09:43 <cedk> gour: part of B2CK:
2009-08-30 09:43 <gour> i read that 'comparison' document which was on that domain :-)
2009-08-30 09:44 <cedk> gour: ok, it is pretty old now and I don't keep it up to date
2009-08-30 09:45 <gour> it does not matter, it brought me to tryton as alternative for our needs ;)
2009-08-30 09:45 <gour> can i attempt to (briefly) describe our needs?
2009-08-30 09:45 <cedk> gour: yes, I just mean that there is more and more difference now :-)
2009-08-30 09:46 <gour> cedk: heh, on the forum they were saying the opposite :-D
2009-08-30 09:46 <cedk> gour: ok, but I'll leave in about 15 min.
2009-08-30 09:46 <gour> ok, i'll be short
2009-08-30 09:47 <gour> i'm doing counselling work and my wife (who is GP doctor) does homeopathy...we need kind of simple EMR system to keep track of clients & records of their treatments let's assume that port of medical can do the work)
2009-08-30 09:48 <gour> so, besides keeping the record of patient we need some billing & invoicing system to keep track of bills and print nice PDFs to the clients
2009-08-30 09:50 <gour> no need for stock etc., so typical for ERPs..with GNUmed we'd use something like simpleinvoices but i'm sure openerp/tryton can handle this in one package. of course, simialr to openrp, we'd need some document management, i.e. to attach documents to the patient's record...some scheduling capabilities and having something like GTD could be nice, although we can use emacs' org-mode as well
2009-08-30 09:50 <gour> what do you think about tryton for such workflow?
2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: I think all can be done in Tryton
2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: Tryton is already use in small company for invoicing
2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: if medical module is ok for you, the port to Tryton can be done in 1 day
2009-08-30 09:52 <cedk> gour: the WebDAV functionnality can be use to attach documents to patient
2009-08-30 09:52 <cedk> gour: for GTD, we don't have it but it is my colleague who write it for OpenERP :-)
2009-08-30 09:54 <gour> cedk: ohh, that's nice to hear...we do not need accounting - it will be done separately by proffessional, only printing/emailing invoices
2009-08-30 09:54 <gour> cedk: you can persuade your friend to port GTD module to tryton ;)
2009-08-30 09:54 <cedk> gour: in Tryton, there will be the account module but with the simple account chart 5 accounts that help to handle the paiement of invoice
2009-08-30 09:55 <gour> btw, i like you have mailing list & active IRC - #openobject is quite dead and, afaik, no ml, only forums
2009-08-30 09:56 <gour> based on that i read, tryton docs are more up-to-date than openerp, is it true?
2009-08-30 09:56 <cedk> gour: on summer sunday, it is a little dead :-)
2009-08-30 09:57 <cedk> gour: I don't know, I don't read openerp doc, but we have docs for each version instead of openerp who has only last version doc
2009-08-30 09:57 <gour> cedk: i was trying #openobject during the week as well...could even get proper info about compatibility with python-2.6 which is default on archlinux
2009-08-30 09:58 <cedk> gour: I will make a release monday, that fix compatibility with python 2.6 for Tryton serie 1.0 and 1.2
2009-08-30 09:59 <gour> since i haven't invested much time in reading openerp docs - just downloaded pdfs yesterday, i can try with tryton as there any use of reading openerp's docs to become more familiar with architecture or everything is covered by tryton docs as well?
2009-08-30 09:59 <gour> ACTION notices that archlinux has only old 1.0.3 package in AUR
2009-08-30 10:00 <cedk> gour: reading openerp docs will help you also to understand Tryton
2009-08-30 10:00 <gour> there are 3 pkgs - tryton, trytond & trytond_addons, this is usual scenario?
2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: as I told you it is not a big issue to use old serie as we still maintain it
2009-08-30 10:01 <gour> cedk: good, we'll make some use of it then
2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: I don't know what is it in trytond_addons?
2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: we prefer to have separate package per modules
2009-08-30 10:02 <cedk> gour: as we make separate release of modules
2009-08-30 10:02 <gour> cedk: yes, but the package is orphaned, so i may adopt it if i get a 'feeling for it...addons contains modules, afaict
2009-08-30 10:03 <gour> my main concern in regards to openerp/tryton is how much one can tailor it for one's own needs, which in our case means mostly stripping the extra baggage we do not need
2009-08-30 10:03 <cedk> gour: args... it is not very good, it happens often that we make a new release for a module because of a bug
2009-08-30 10:03 <gour> let me check your dl page
2009-08-30 10:03 <cedk> gour: in Tryton, you don't need to strip any thing because all is in separate modules
2009-08-30 10:04 <cedk> gour: where is the package of archlinux?
2009-08-30 10:04 <gour> cedk:
2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> then it seems that it would be better to have each module in separate package, right?
2009-08-30 10:05 <cedk> gour: yes
2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> ACTION likes modularization
2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> ok
2009-08-30 10:05 <cedk> gour: I guess the guys who makes the package know OpenERP and make the samething
2009-08-30 10:06 <gour> :-)
2009-08-30 10:06 <cedk> s/same thing/same mistake/ :-)
2009-08-30 10:07 <gour> ACTION joined the tryon group (via web for now)
2009-08-30 10:08 <gour> so, 1.2.0 has some issues with py-2.6?
2009-08-30 10:09 <gour> s/1.2.0/1.2.1
2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: the server only
2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: and it is simply that it doesn't stop properly
2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: you need to kill it
2009-08-30 10:10 <gour> that's not a big problem while evaluating it...
2009-08-30 10:10 <cedk> gour: otherwise, it works. I'm on python 2.6 since 2 weeks
2009-08-30 10:10 <gour> cedk: which distro you run?
2009-08-30 10:10 <cedk> gour: Gentoo
2009-08-30 10:11 <gour> i used gentoo for 5yrs before switching to arch 2yrs ago
2009-08-30 10:11 <cedk> gour: I'm Gentoo dev
2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> heh, that's why your name sounded familiar to me ;)
2009-08-30 10:12 <cedk> gour: archlinux seems to have the same kind of package manager ?
2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> it uses pacman
2009-08-30 10:12 <cedk> gour: I mean BSD style
2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> my main concern with gentoo was that amd64 was too ancient, and ~amd64 to broken
2009-08-30 10:13 <gour> yep
2009-08-30 10:13 <gour> someone nicely said that arch is gentoo with binaries :-)
2009-08-30 10:13 <cedk> gour: I was also a employee of Tiny who owns OpenERP
2009-08-30 10:14 <gour> i do not need to build everything from the source, but it's still very easy to build from source tarballs
2009-08-30 10:14 <gour> cedk: heh, than you're very aware of all of its good & bad points
2009-08-30 10:14 <cedk> gour: is it easy to add your own package, like in Gentoo with /usr/local/portage/
2009-08-30 10:15 <cedk> gour: is archlinux works on mips?
2009-08-30 10:15 <gour> cedk: yes, you can have your own local repo, or just write pkgbuild script and upload to AUR - no need to wait review for ebuild 'bug'
2009-08-30 10:16 <gour> i don't thinks so. it's i686/x86_64 only...gentoo runs on much more archs
2009-08-30 10:16 <gour> but it's good enough for me
2009-08-30 10:17 <gour> cedk:
2009-08-30 10:17 <cedk> gour: args, I'm going to buy a lemote and was thinking that it will be good to not compile everything :-(
2009-08-30 10:18 <gour> cedk: so it would be possible to achieve the same functionality of thunderbird plugin (mentioned here in tryton with that module?
2009-08-30 10:18 <cedk> gour: not to upload emails into server
2009-08-30 10:19 <gour> ACTION is thinking about something like hp's mininote 2140 as next laptop
2009-08-30 10:19 <cedk> gour: but I think it should be better to achieve this in other way than with a plugin
2009-08-30 10:19 <cedk> gour: perhaps a mailserver script or the server that fetch copy of emails
2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> I need to leave now
2009-08-30 10:20 <gour> cedk: ok, thanks a lot for your input
2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> ACTION will be back tomorow
2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> gour: bye
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2009-08-30 13:50 <gour> hi, i see in demo that e.g. there is 'tree view' for Invoices, i.e. Invoicec --> Invoices --> New Invoice etc. is it possible to see record data as 'tree' instead as 'list' ?
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