| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Fri Sep 4 00:00:02 CEST 2009 | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:05 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: this is strange | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:05 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: copy/paste the code you added to sale | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:11 <vengfulsquirrel> Here is the execute output after clicking on Sales: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/137874/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:11 <vengfulsquirrel> Well I kind of have a bunch of modules | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:13 <vengfulsquirrel> I just create a one 2 many from customer shipment to inventories but my own inventories module. | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:13 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I see nothing special | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:14 <vengfulsquirrel> I'm using trunk which I should probably stop doing | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:14 <vengfulsquirrel> although it seems like its always pretty stable | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:19 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: what is your host? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:20 <vengfulsquirrel> I'm just running it locally right now client to server, its an athlon XP 2700+ with 1.5 gigs of ram running gentoo linux. | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:20 <vengfulsquirrel> Is it possible its waiting on the cron implementation to do something because it keeps calling execute on the cron table? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> I guess it has to do that at regular intervals to emulate cron so its just acting normally | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:23 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:23 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: by the way, the log you copy/paste show it took 3 secs | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:25 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and it seems that you have a lot of missing modules | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:25 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: did you have the same perf issue with the demo server? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:27 <vengfulsquirrel> I don't know, do I just pull from http://hg.tryton.org/hgwebdir.cgi/1.2/tryton/ to get the client to try it ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:28 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:35 <vengfulsquirrel> ha wow | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:36 <vengfulsquirrel> took me a while to figure out why the client opened with no buttons or interface, i think i still had the old localhost server running | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:36 <vengfulsquirrel> so in conclusion no it doesn't happen on the demo | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> once i connect | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> i double click sales | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> and its fast | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> but the demo has no locations | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> and 4 products | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> I have 1000 locations and a little over 20,000 products | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:38 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: try to open translations | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:38 <vengfulsquirrel> Where is that ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:38 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: Administration>Localisations | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:38 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: is it possible to connect ot your server? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:40 <vengfulsquirrel> open translations isn't too slow | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:40 <vengfulsquirrel> i mean it stops for a few seconds | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:40 <vengfulsquirrel> but its fine | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:42 <vengfulsquirrel> No sorry I don't have port forwarding setup, maybe tomorrow I could get that setup though. | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:44 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: so I think your logs doesn't show everythings | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:50 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah maybe it wasn't done, let me try it again start to finish. here is part of one the new modules I just made, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/137879/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:50 <vengfulsquirrel> Maybe its because I've deleted modules but not actually deleted them from the database. | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:52 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it is possibly the Function fields | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:53 <vengfulsquirrel> Wow listing the sales cause those to be filled with stuff? | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:53 <vengfulsquirrel> All those should be empty at this point. | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:56 <vengfulsquirrel> Here it is start to finish http://paste.pocoo.org/show/137881/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 00:59 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: show me the function of Function fields | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:03 <vengfulsquirrel> tryting to put on intuxicatino | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:06 <vengfulsquirrel> Do you know why this happens? http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/sale_convert | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:06 <vengfulsquirrel> I can pull it but it just throws errors all over when I try to view it. | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:09 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: don't know | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:09 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: but you can copy/paste the functions | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:13 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/137883/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:13 <vengfulsquirrel> They are just made from the template of the inventory_moves and outgoing_moves function fields that also use the moves field. | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:15 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't know, I don't see why there is 1 min spend between 15:53:14 and 15:54:04 | ||
| 2009-09-04 01:18 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah okay well thanks for looking at it, I will try to rebuild without the module and then some of my other newer modules and see if it goes away and then maybe I'll have more information tomorrow. | ||
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| 2009-09-04 09:51 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1984:b2fb57d71fb3 trytond/trytond/model/browse.py: | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:51 <CIA-2> Fix test on context and local_cache. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:51 <CIA-2> Use a new dictionary only if it is None and if it is empty. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:51 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/b2fb57d71fb3 | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1985:314683104a6d trytond/trytond/model/browse.py: | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> Use global cache ids only if it is less than IN_MAX otherwise it will generate | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> more SELECT queries in the read function. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/314683104a6d | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1986:efeab9443bd8 trytond/trytond/tools/convert.py: Clean cursor cache when reseting BrowseRecord | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/efeab9443bd8 | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1987:5834327e9982 trytond/trytond/tools/convert.py: | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> Order BrowseRecordList by id. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> We have more chance to see records in this order in the XML files. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/5834327e9982 | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1988:29f3eabb8119 trytond/trytond/tools/convert.py: | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> Reset BrowseRecord also after update to keep cache memory low. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> There is little chance to see again this record in the XML files of the module. | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/29f3eabb8119 | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 591:71547fabf160 stock/TODO: Remove already done TODO | ||
| 2009-09-04 09:52 <CIA-2> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock/rev/71547fabf160 | ||
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| 2009-09-04 10:25 <bechamel> yangoon: cedk: 8Go in 15min is quicker than I would have ever expected. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:26 <bechamel> I remember when I was at tiny for one of the project I was working on, I had to spilt a module with all the data into 30 little modules (a module with more than 30 000 records was maxing the ram). | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:26 <bechamel> and btw in the meanwhile we added other features (like avoiding do erase user modification that happened between the initial import and the update). | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:28 <cedk> interresting paper: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/real-world_acce.html | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:33 <cedk> bechamel: http://www.dicocitations.com/citation_internaute_ajout/2947.php | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:35 <paepke> cedk: i agree with bruce, i worked with sarbanes oxley act for three years and helped to implement it in the IT-structure. there were some good points and some bad points. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:36 <paepke> there were some ridiculous processes in place. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:37 <cedk> paepke: the interesting part, I find, is the "speeding tickets" | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:37 <paepke> finally my opinion is: too much processes kills innovation in companies. not only in IT | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:37 <cedk> paepke: I don't know how we could try to apply on Tryton, but it is good to keep it in mind :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:46 <paepke> for applying "speeding tickets" you have to audit the whole system. we grep'ed through the transaction log and had to analyse the sql-strings. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:47 <paepke> well not to implement the speeding tickets. thats a new idea to me, but a good one. we used this to look what were the changes for example in accounting. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:49 <paepke> additionally the history function in tryton is a good start. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:51 <bechamel> cedk: I have once watch the beginning of this presentation iirc he was talking about using ruby snippets instead of acl: http://www.vimeo.com/2723800 | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:51 <cedk> paepke: I was thinking more like adding some controled fuzzy to the control system of Tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:52 <cedk> paepke: like you can break this rule but no more than ... | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:53 <paepke> cedk: maybe i'm thinking too much the old way :-). | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:54 <cedk> paepke: we are here to exchange ideas :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:54 <paepke> cedk: on roads you can drive as fast as you can. you will get a speeding ticket after the issue. not during the drive. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:56 <cedk> paepke: yes, in stead of "no more than...", it can be if "more than..., we will inform your boss" | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:56 <paepke> your idea with a fuzzy control will still implement the old way | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:56 <paepke> cedk: ic. | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:59 <paepke> i haven't had a deeper look in the current tryton acl system | ||
| 2009-09-04 10:59 <paepke> what is already possible | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:00 <cedk> paepke: it is globaly ACL | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:01 <cedk> paepke: you have or not access to this ressource | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:03 <paepke> is it possible to restrict it field-base. like having access to a customer party and not access to a supplier party? | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:04 <paepke> sorry, the question goes to cedk | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:04 <cedk> paepke: yes, it is what we call record rules | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:08 <paepke> cedk: ok. great. | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:11 <paepke> cedk: imho there should be a -maybe- printed report to sign the "speed ticket" by the boss. and for workflow purposes a possibility to give this employee for future more access rights. | ||
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| 2009-09-04 11:55 <gour> morning | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:57 <gour> after more than 2hrs of constant swapping and tooking over all the resources, openerp/medical module was killed being unable to load/parse 14M xml file :-/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:58 <gour> not very impressive :-( | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:58 <gour> now, i disable loading of that file to get, at least, a sneak preview how does it look like | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:59 <gour> (it's hard to port something you don't even know how it looks like :-D) | ||
| 2009-09-04 11:59 <cedk> gour: did you see: http://groups.google.com/group/tryton/browse_frm/thread/ad80ab5d265d5583 | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:03 <gour> cedk: yep, you did some caching tricks, right? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:03 <cedk> gour: memory management | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:04 <cedk> gour: due to new cache management | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:04 <cedk> gour: it is not in <= 1.2 | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:04 <gour> heh, but the guy was importing 8GB :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:04 <gour> and me only 14M :-/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:05 <gour> btw, i've tryton-dev installed locally and ready for exploring... | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:07 <gour> cedk: in any case, Medical is too 'medical' for our needs | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:07 <cedk> gour: remember: "OpenERP is solid" :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:07 <bechamel> ACTION laugh | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:08 <gour> cedk: yep, it solidly killing all the resources:-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:09 <gour> i'm going to package gnumed for archlinux... | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:12 <cedk> gour: I think you should write your requirements | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:13 <gour> cedk: yep. that why i'm going to package gnumed - it will be more useful to become clear with our res while evaluating gnumed than with medical | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:13 <gour> *that's | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:14 <gour> cedk: do you remember (it is ancient) WP's infocentral? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:14 <gour> it was nice PIM | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:16 <cedk> gour: no | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:19 <gour> i wonder why i didn't get those updates after running tryton-dev script | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:19 <yangoon> cedk: gour btw: there was an error in my post: the xml in question in party_bank_de is 8 MB, not 8 GB | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:20 <gour> yangoon: ahh, ok. i was thinking you possess the whole world, but who knows... | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:21 <gour> :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:21 <cedk> yangoon, gour: it still better | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:21 <cedk> yangoon: did you try with psyco enable? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:22 <yangoon> cedk: no, never enabled it so far, should I do? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:22 <yangoon> cedk: I will report memory usgae and run a test with psyco | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:22 <gour> tryton uses psyco2, right? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:22 <cedk> gour: psycopg2 for database acces | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:23 <cedk> gour: psyco is a JIT module for python | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:23 <gour> i was thinking about psycopg2 vs v1 | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:33 <gour> ACTION sent mail to medical dev informing him about the performance... | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:34 <gour> let me package/install gnumed, so i can explore latest version more closely and then i can compose mail to tryton's ml defining more precisely our needs | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:36 <cedk> paepke: we could also add time on access rules | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:39 <paepke> cedk: even on future? for example guy from purchase changes his job on september to accounting? | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:40 <cedk> paepke: no, I was thinking about you can access invoice only between 8:00 to 16:00 | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:41 <paepke> cedk: ok. take it as a feature request :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 12:42 <cedk> paepke: even, I think it must be in a module | ||
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| 2009-09-04 13:34 <gour> ACTION got reply from medical dev - they run it with 2GB machines.. | ||
| 2009-09-04 13:34 <gour> ACTION --> lunch. bbl | ||
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| 2009-09-04 14:44 <yangoon> cedk: you were right with removing indexes http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/populate.html#POPULATE-RM-INDEXES | ||
| 2009-09-04 14:59 <cedk> yangoon: you should try | ||
| 2009-09-04 14:59 <cedk> yangoon: but perhaps not dropping the index on id because it is used for read | ||
| 2009-09-04 14:59 <yangoon> cedk: ok | ||
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| 2009-09-04 15:12 <yangoon> cedk: won't tryton reinstall the indexes as soon as it begins with the update? | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:13 <cedk> yangoon: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:13 <cedk> yangoon: you should add a hack | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:14 <yangoon> cedk: if I delete the index in init, the model doesn't recreate it? | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:15 <yangoon> cedk: where do I have to put the hack? | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:16 <cedk> yangoon: yes you can try in the init | ||
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| 2009-09-04 15:51 <CIA-2> tekknokrat roundup * #1149/taxes not adapted from article categories to position in invoice: | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:51 <CIA-2> [new] I create a article category and set a tax (VAT from SKR-03) for arcticle category. I save all my changes. | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:51 <CIA-2> Then I create an article and se ... | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:51 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1149 | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:54 <CIA-2> Timitos roundup * #1149/taxes not adapted from article categories to position in invoice: [chatting] which version of tryton are you running? | ||
| 2009-09-04 15:54 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1149 | ||
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| 2009-09-04 16:37 <CIA-2> Timitos roundup * #1149/taxes not adapted from article categories to position in invoice: | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:37 <CIA-2> i tried it with current dev version. for me it is working with account_invoice installed and account_de_skr03. | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:37 <CIA-2> which modules do you have installed? | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:37 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1149 | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:40 <cedk> http://www.openobject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42837 | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:40 <cedk> really strange :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:45 <bechamel> cedk: you know if there was a lot of modifications between 5.0.3 and 5.0.0.3 ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:45 <cedk> bechamel: yes, they change all the report engine | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:46 <cedk> bechamel: but it seems they are back to 5.0.3, when you click to download you get 5.0.3 but it is displayed in the page 5.0.0 | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:46 <cedk> really unprofessional | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:48 <carlos> cedk: I think they had problems with the download page | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:51 <cedk> carlos: yes and they still not release 5.0.4 which is tagged since 1 week | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:51 <cedk> carlos: and all < 5.0.4 has a big security hole | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:51 <carlos> and anyway, I think 5.0.4 was already out for a while, however, the download page never changed to 5.0.4 and your security bug was fixed but I would expect an urgent minor release with it... and nothing happened yet | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <carlos> cedk: oh, is 5.0.4 including your patch? | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <carlos> I thought it was post 5.0.4 | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <cedk> carlos: no, but there was an other issue | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <carlos> ok | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <cedk> carlos: yes in fact all release has a security hole :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 16:52 <cedk> carlos: an < 5.0.4 has at least two :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:04 <gour> interesting policies in openerp... | ||
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| 2009-09-04 17:31 <gour> ACTION just posted (via gmane), as advised here, more about his reqs for the triton module | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:32 <gour> latest trunk is installed and running under ssl...what else is required to start with the tryton? there is even full moon here :-D | ||
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| 2009-09-04 17:40 <bechamel> gour: what else is required... for using it or for developing modules ? | ||
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| 2009-09-04 17:44 <gour> bechamel: well, i assume i'll need 'both' | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:44 <gour> bechamel: although in the beginning 'developing' would probably mean 'customizing' | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:45 <gour> when will be possible to uninstall modules? | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:45 <bechamel> nothing is planned | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:46 <gour> it says (beta) and greyed out | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:47 <gour> bechamel: have you seen my latest post to ml? | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:47 <bechamel> yes I have some comments | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:48 <gour> good :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:51 <gour> hmm, strange thins is happening here...after disconnecting client, server dies with "Fatal Python error: ceval: tstate mix-up" | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:53 <bechamel> gour: it's time for your first bug report :) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <gour> btw, does the core 'res' module denote 'resources? | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> tekknokrat roundup * #1149/taxes not adapted from article categories to position in invoice: | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> version in use: | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> tryton/trytond 1.2.2 | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> account_de_skr03 1.2.0 | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> account_invoice 1.2.2 | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> account 1.2.2 | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:54 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1149 | ||
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| 2009-09-04 17:54 <gour> bechamel: let me make it reproducible | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:55 <bechamel> gour: i'm not sure for 'res' it comes from openerp who took it (iirc) from compiere | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:56 <gour> bechamel: ahh, the whole disciplic succession :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:56 <gour> bechamel: what about ir? | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:56 <bechamel> same anwser :) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:57 <bechamel> except that ir means "interface repository" | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:58 <gour> ok. let us at least have some orientation :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 17:59 <bechamel> ir contains more low-level/meta models while res contains models for real-life/business concepts | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:01 <gour> wouldn't be better to have more meaningful names for the modules? | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:03 <gour> at least, this is common situation in python... | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:03 <bechamel> yes maybe, but it would be a big work to change them | ||
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| 2009-09-04 18:05 <gour> bechamel: smart DVCS (like darcs ) can handle renames, not sure about hg | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:07 <bechamel> the problem is not about the dvcs, it is about modifing a lot of other modules (the module name is used to prefix the models when one want to refer them) and moreover migrating all tables for db that where created before the modification | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:09 <CIA-2> tekknokrat roundup * #1149/taxes not adapted from article categories to position in invoice: | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:09 <CIA-2> [invalid] Hi Timitos, | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:09 <CIA-2> I did a new database from scratch and it works now with article categories. Will investigate with old database when I get ... | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:09 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1149 | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:10 <bechamel> gour: and this is because we provide automated migration of db from version to version | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:10 <gour> well, there are not so many tryton modules atm, and renaming can be done via dvcs' renaming...though the problem is with db tables | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:21 <Timitos> cedk: it would be great if you could give me a short overview about your ideas regarding to the goal: Allow to use email in place of request | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:22 <Timitos> i will start some concept for this | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:25 <cedk> Timitos: I did not think a lot about it | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:26 <cedk> but the idea is that users are not always on Tryton so if they receive request they don't see it | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:27 <cedk> but most of people check frequently their email, so the idea is to be able to process email like the request | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:29 <paepke> cedk: just 2 cents. what about a small netrpc client laying in the taskbar? | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:29 <Timitos> cedk: ok. so the user should be able to receive an email with the content of the request and he should be able to answer to the request and perhaps to close it | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:30 <cedk> Timitos: yes, and it must not see it as a request next time he logins | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:30 <Timitos> cedk: ok | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:31 <cedk> paepke: I think it is creating a new stuff for a old problem solved by emails | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:32 <Timitos> cedk: it also should be possible to create new requests by an email | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:32 <cedk> Timitos: why not | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:34 <Timitos> cedk: it looks like an email-client with some tryton extra stuff | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:34 <cedk> Timitos: don't understand | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:36 <paepke> emails are in my oppinion not a solution. a lot of people get nowadays annoyed from emails. especially some administrator when they have to backup or archive emails. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:36 <paepke> its good to have such a feature. but for me its only for marketing. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:37 <Timitos> cedk: we need functions to send and receive emails. when emails are received the content should maybe cause some action in tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:37 <cedk> Timitos: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:39 <Timitos> cedk: requests are only internal for user to user communication. should i think of extending it for user to party communication later? | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:41 <cedk> Timitos: I don't know, maybe | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:41 <paepke> i can see requests also as an request from the system to the user. like "safety stock" of article "loo roll" undershot | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:41 <Timitos> paepke: yes. this is also possible | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:42 <Timitos> cedk: ok. so thx for your info. i will think about | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:43 <Timitos> cedk: i don't think that i will succeed in doing it for 1.4 but i will work on it. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:44 <udono> Timitos: cedk: what about a complete IMAP or POP3 and smtp referring service which tryton could provide. Upon this we can make some transparent modifications to email-header and evaluate them. It could be possible to store emails depending to projects/parties/... or to archive all incomming emails. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:46 <cedk> udono: good idea, do you know if there is some python imap library for server? | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:48 <paepke> cedk, udono: twisted.mail | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:49 <bechamel> there is http://lamsonproject.org/ which is an "email server framework" | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:49 <paepke> cedk, udono: it has all you need. just implement the netrpc backend | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:51 <paepke> bechamel: afaik lamson is "only" the smtp-part | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:51 <Timitos> paepke: thx. i will look at it | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:52 <bechamel> paepke: yes you are right | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:52 <cedk> paepke: twisted is an other framework which is perhaps too much for our needs | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:52 <udono> paepke: Twisted is oversized I think, and afaik hard to tweak. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:53 <paepke> cedk, udono: you asked for a project to look at :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:53 <cedk> udono, Timitos, paepke: any way, if there is no good module for imap server, I think it is not complicated to write one | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:53 <udono> There is smtplib and imaplib in python self. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:53 <cedk> imap is simple text command | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:54 <cedk> udono: client only | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:54 <udono> cedk: ouch, sorry, didn't recognize | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:55 <udono> on the other hand with twisted we can reduce dependencies with the other protocolls Tryton use... | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:56 <udono> and twisted is a highly developed project | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:56 <udono> ...means active developed... | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:58 <Timitos> cedk: @all: i think this is an important discussion for future. the topic i see is that it could be interesting to store email communication in a way in which it could be easily related with records in tryton. | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:59 <cedk> udono: I find always bad to add framework over framework | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:59 <paepke> cedk, udono: maybe twisted and tryton can earn from each other from such a project | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:59 <Timitos> i don't know if it is really needed to store the emails in tryton or to do the communication in tryton. but its hard for me to see a good alternative. does anybody have some ideas about this? | ||
| 2009-09-04 18:59 <cedk> Timitos: I find the imap service pretty good, I know there is also a WebDAV protocol for email but it is not very much used | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:01 <Timitos> cedk: this would mean that emails are stored in tryton and should be available for email-clients by IMAP? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:01 <cedk> paepke: I don't know enought Twisted to see if it is a good option or not | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:01 <paepke> Timitos: ack with the "do the communication". you have to write or at least answer mails. | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:01 <cedk> Timitos: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:02 <cedk> paepke: what is the backend of Twisted? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:02 <Timitos> cedk: ok. so this should be the vision i need to know when i am starting with this topic | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:03 <paepke> all: what about accessing emails from an email-archive through an interface? every message has an unique message id. or at least should as per RFC | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:03 <cedk> Timitos: this was not what I thought when writen the TODO list, but it is better | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:03 <Timitos> cedk: :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:04 <cedk> ACTION think why didn't think about imap | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:04 <udono> other point is to create a base structure for mail like informations, to catch asap google waves | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:05 <paepke> cedk: backend? its pure python and it implements severel services you can tweak. like webserver, imap or something like that. i used it to write an tftp-server | ||
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| 2009-09-04 19:05 <paepke> cedk: is has just some things already done. you have to write the backend for yourself. | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:06 <paepke> udono: yeah, google wave were a cool addon for tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:07 <cedk> paepke: ok so it sounds good to me | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:08 <cedk> args, Twisted is MIT license | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:10 <cedk> ok, it seems that MIT is compatible with GPL | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:10 <paepke> oh sorry, i don't mention | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:11 <cedk> Timitos: I think Twisted must be investigated for this purpose | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:11 <Timitos> cedk: yes. sure | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:12 <Timitos> cedk: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/api/twisted.mail.imap4.html ;-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:14 <udono> cedk: what about multi threading and the mail-server feature? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:16 <cedk> udono: I don't understand | ||
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| 2009-09-04 19:21 <paepke> udono: i don't understand it too | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:32 <udono> cedk: paepke: many parts needed to be threading aware, did the email server part, too? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:36 <paepke> udono: maybe this helps: http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/threading.html | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:37 <cedk> udono: I don't know if Twisted if threaded, but it is event-driven which is a different approach then Tryton but I don't think it is a problem (not threaded) | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:37 <cedk> udono: if it is fast enought | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:40 <paepke> what about running it as additional process? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:41 <cedk> paepke: yes it is what I thought | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:41 <cedk> paepke: with netrpc calls | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:42 <paepke> cedk: me too | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:48 <carlos> Hi, I think I'm late to this discussion | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:48 <carlos> so, do you want to add an IMAP server to Tryton? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:48 <carlos> or a client? | ||
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| 2009-09-04 19:50 <paepke> carlos: imap server. | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:51 <carlos> Isn't that too much for the needs we have? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:51 <carlos> I think something like the OpenErp's mail gateway would be enough | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:52 <paepke> for example having a crm-module its not. you have to track the mails you write. | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:52 <cedk> carlos: it will brings the same functionnality but will work with any email client | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:52 <cedk> carlos: IMAP is a standard protocol | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <carlos> ok, let me understand it a bit more... | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <cedk> carlos: it is like using CalDAV for calendar, CardDAV for contact and so on | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <carlos> will I need to configure my email client to connect to Tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <carlos> in addition to my regular email account? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:53 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:54 <carlos> Why not sending the email directly? what we win other than introduce more complexity in the server ? (I just try to understand it a bit better) | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:54 <cedk> carlos: you send email directly | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:54 <cedk> carlos: sending email is SMTP | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:55 <cedk> ok, I know it is possible to send email via IMAP, but I don't think we need this | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:55 <carlos> so the IMAP Server is just to access the Tryton's copy? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:55 <carlos> copy or archive | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:56 <paepke> cedk: you could also put an email via the imap-protocol on the server. so only the emails that are tryton-relevant will go into the system. as addition to a normal mailserver | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:56 <paepke> cedk: yes, you got it. had already typed... | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:56 <cedk> carlos: yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:56 <carlos> cedk: I understand it now, thanks | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:57 <cedk> carlos: and you could also imagine to have read access to others imap mailboxes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:57 <carlos> so I guess we will also have a client or a way to inject emails inside Tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:57 <cedk> carlos: and even, having the same email showed in different mailboxes | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:57 <cedk> carlos: the email client can already copy email into imap folders | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:58 <carlos> cedk: I know, but If I want to send a new request, isn't more natural to send it by email? | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:59 <cedk> I think that when you start using standard protocol and world of possibilities opens to you, look what we had with the WebDAV | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:59 <carlos> cedk: copy it to an IMAP folder is also valid, but is not what people is used to ;-) so that's why I find it kind of surprising, I'm not saying it's a bad idea | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:59 <carlos> cedk: indeed | ||
| 2009-09-04 19:59 <cedk> If we had keep the OpenERP way (ftp), we will not had CalDAV, CardDAV and so on. And we will need to implement plugins for email clients to get contacts | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:00 <cedk> or now with one module, we can have contact in every major email client | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:01 <cedk> carlos: it could be also a script on SMTP server that forward a copy of email to Tryton | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:01 <carlos> cedk: If Tryton dropped webdav for FTP, I would be crying a lot | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:01 <cedk> :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:01 <cedk> bbl | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:06 <paepke> carlos: copy mails via imap is common for most people. its like sorting your mails in subfolders. | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:18 <carlos> paepke: sure, I do it a lot | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:18 <carlos> but not to 'send' an email to other user | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> paepke roundup * #1150/bad error when try to select non existing db: | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> [new] running: | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> ./trytond -i some_module -d blubb | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> [Fri Sep 04 20:24:54 2009] INFO:database:connect to "blubb" | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> Traceback (most recent call last ... | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:27 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1150 | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:35 <gour> ACTION hopes some of Tryton devs uses Gnus, Claws-mail and other 'non-corporate' mail-clients :-D | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:40 <paepke> gour: for sure | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:42 <gour> paepke: good, then we (hopefully) won't be left in the air ;) | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:45 <carlos> gour: We are using standard protocols in Tryton so I don't think it may happen, unless you get a real basic client with poor support for standard protocols ;-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 20:48 <gour> carlos: i'm mostly using gnus via nnimap (accessing dovecot running on localhost) | ||
| 2009-09-04 21:06 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Have there been any changes to trunk that require modifying the database in the last few weeks? | ||
| 2009-09-04 21:31 <gour> hi, in order to advance further in exploring tryton, i'm curios where does development for tryton differs significantly from the openrp one (i'm asking 'cause i browse openerp's docs) ? | ||
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| 2009-09-04 21:56 <gour> is there support for Workflow in tryton? | ||
| 2009-09-04 21:56 <Timitos> gour: yes | ||
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| 2009-09-04 21:57 <Timitos> gour: the development of reports is quite different from openerp as they are done with openoffice tempaltes and not with rml | ||
| 2009-09-04 21:58 <gour> Timitos: i'm not so far (reports), but reading basic about module development in openerp's doc...and workflow is just mentioned | ||
| 2009-09-04 21:59 <gour> i just wonder how to wrap one's head to create views by writing xml :-/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:03 <Timitos> gour: i am not sure if reading openerp's docs is necessary. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:03 <gour> Timitos: you have started developing right with the tryton? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:04 <Timitos> gour: no. some time before i started with tinyerp and switched to tryton when the fork was done | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:05 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: Did you develop in openerp before? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:05 <gour> heh, i didn't even touch openerp...have to become somewhat familiar with it... | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:05 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: nope | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:05 <gour> helloworls on wiki is the only doc for starting and that one could be improved | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:06 <gour> *helloworld | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:06 <vengfulsquirrel> I never used openerp as well. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:06 <gour> any other erp? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:06 <vengfulsquirrel> No | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:07 <Timitos> gour: i haven't looked at openerps docs. what are you missing on trytons documentation? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:07 <Timitos> so maybe we can improve it together | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:07 <paepke> i was currently looking at some poor man optimation when running trytond. psyco is not an option for amd64 platform. why isn't just "python -O trytond" working on python2.5? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:08 <paepke> on my 2.6 it looks like its working. but have to investigate it | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:09 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: The openerp docs could actually introduce inconsistencies since the fork has been going for a while. I would just start by trying to setup a dev environment with the tryton-dev.sh script and then creating the hello world module. Then you can get a better field for how the other tryton modules work and start copying patterns out of them for your own project. That's my opinion though maybe someone else has a better strategy | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:09 <gour> Timitos: explaining more about the concepts...what does it mean "The RNG that describes the xml for a form view is stored in trytond/ir/ui/form.rng. There is also a RNC in trytond/ir/ui/form.rnc." | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:11 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: i agree that's one methodology...it would be nice to explain if the helloworld can be developed in several steps and what one is supposed to get after each one | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:12 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: I think it is in steps but you mean like a screen shot after each step? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <gour> Timitos: the present docs are maybe good as reference... | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <Timitos> gour: the rnc and rng define the allowed structure of the xml files. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel hi | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: what about http://codereview.appspot.com/95068 | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <Timitos> gour: yes. maybe the getting started part should be a little bit more | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:13 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: yeah, something like that...i'm not even sure when one step is ending and the next one beginning | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:14 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: Hello, sorry I started that reports doc but I have not finished it and I got side tracked | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:14 <gour> Timitos: maybe i'm dumb, but i did not do any xml stuff for long time...it took some time to find out we are speaking about Relax :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:14 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: but it seems rather good in progress | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:15 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: so isn't it worth a patch soon? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:15 <gour> Timitos: moreover, you're are aware that wizard, report, workflow are empty :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:16 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: I started a ticket for it a while ago and no one read it, but I didn't really push it, I need to remake the patch for the latest trunk and close it up. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:16 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: great, thx | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:17 <Timitos> gour: yes :-) we are still a small group and many of us still work on local integration or our own solutions. so maybe this is the reason for the missing docs | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:17 <gour> Timitos: where one can find explanation for the meanings of the field's parameters? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:18 <gour> Timitos: i understand, but consider openrp docs may be helpful to get started | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:18 <Timitos> http://doc.tryton.org/1.0/trytond/doc/models.html for the fields | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:18 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: same for http://codereview.appspot.com/96152, great to have it | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:19 <gour> Timitos: how to decipher what is what here - class trytond.model.fields.Integer(string='', help='', required=False, readonly=False, domain=None, states=None, priority=0, change_default=False, translate=False, select=0, on_change=None, on_change_with=None, depends=None, order_field=None, context=None) ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:19 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: if you like bechamel or cedk to review it, just set them as reviewers | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:19 <gour> Timitos: i just says "Define an integer field (int)" | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:20 <gour> i am aware of the similar situation in haskell community - great language, but many libs have horrible or none docs | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:20 <Timitos> gour: http://doc.tryton.org/1.0/trytond/doc/models.html#fields-options | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:21 <gour> Timitos: thank you for that | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:21 <Timitos> gour: you are welcome | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:22 <vengfulsquirrel> Explaination of on_change, on_change_with: -- https://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1118 , Reports -- https://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1117 | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:22 <gour> Timitos: in the openerp docs i was reading some about layout of the screen, but i'm not sure i got it, while in tryton docs there is nothing about it | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:23 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: http://doc.tryton.org/1.2/trytond/doc/views.html ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:23 <vengfulsquirrel> That you mean ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:24 <gour> i'm thinking about http://doc.openerp.com/developer/2_6_views_events/views/form_view.html | ||
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| 2009-09-04 22:25 <gour> e.g. meaning of "The screen composed of a table with a fixed number of columns and enough rows to handle all elements." & "Elements take one or more columns when they are put in the table. If there is not enough free columns on the current row, the elements is put at the begin of the next row." | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:25 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah I think it was an active choice to not include screen shots in the docs because they would be so hard to maintain. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:25 <CIA-2> matb roundup * #1118/Doc: Explaination of on_change, on_change_with and default for fields.: [chatting] Ping: could one of the maintainers please review, so we can get this in for 1.4? Thx | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:25 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1118 | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:26 <CIA-2> matb roundup * #1117/Report Documentation: [chatting] Ping: could one of the maintainers please review, so we can get this in for 1.4? Thx | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:26 <CIA-2> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1117 | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:26 <gour> what does it mean "If there is not enough free columns " ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:26 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: Hey those are the patches against the latest trunk a month ago though, does that matter for now ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:26 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: having some separate tutorial could serve the purpose? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:27 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: I don't think, that docs have changed very much... | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:27 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: Yes I think that is the purpose of helloworld, I think its just in the infant stages though right now. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:27 <gour> openerp says "Every screen is divided into 4 columns, each column being able to contain either a label, or an “edition” field." is it rue in tryton as well? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:28 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: hello world requires some clean language at first...although i admire attempt from non-native speaker to provide it | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:28 <Timitos> gour: yes. but you can also define a custom number of columns | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:28 <Timitos> gour: default is 4 columns | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:28 <gour> Timitos: how or from where to learn such things? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:29 <gour> haskell got a quite number of people after 'real world haskell' book...so docs is important for recruiting new people to the community...except if tryton is not supposed to live only on refugees :-D | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:29 <Timitos> gour: everything i learned about tryton i learned by try and error or by asking. i started my first module very soon and without many knowledge. it worked for me | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:31 <gour> Timitos: i believe it worked for YOU. but, believe me, there are people accustomed to different methodologies while learning new stuff | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:31 <vengfulsquirrel> gour: I don't think we are arguing with you that the docs don't need work. We are working on it, its just slow. I do think that the empty sections should have higher priority though. Then the details you speak of should come second. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:32 <gour> Timitos: for trial & error one must have enough time to experiment... | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:33 <yangoon> gour: I also started with tryton, don't know code from openerp | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:33 <gour> vengfulsquirrel: i do not have feeling there is heavy argumentation here...i'm just expressing my views from my personal experience about the lack of proper docs to make learning curve less steep | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:33 <Timitos> gour: with a little help from us here you get your first module run in about a day i think. with every little new one you will learn more. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:34 <gour> and, btw, this is confirmed to me by tryton dev here ;) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:34 <yangoon> gour reading the code is the best thing to get started | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:34 <gour> Timitos: ok, let me express it this way: i'm more top to bottom guy, and you're advising me about the bottom to top approach :-D | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:35 <yangoon> gour e.g. a simple module like party | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:35 <gour> ACTION needs to understand more about general picture before putting individual bricks together, and i'm sure i'm not the only one | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:36 <Timitos> gour: no. for me reading the code is top-down-method for tryton ;-) because you will not be faced with rng and rnc and such things. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:36 <gour> heh, maybe i should shout: improve the docs or i'm going back to openerp! | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:36 <gour> :) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:36 <yangoon> gour that won't help you :D | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:37 <Timitos> gour: this is you decision. we only can provide you what we have :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:38 <gour> with all of you guys, book publishers will soon go all in bankrupt | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:38 <yangoon> gour we all would like to have a good extensive documentation, but we all have to do our jobs: it is a matter of time and priorities | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <vengfulsquirrel> Who started this hello world tutorial ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <yangoon> ACTION has to leave now, gn8 to all | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <Timitos> vengfulsquirrel: i think it was woakas | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: gn | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <Timitos> yangoon: cu | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <paepke> yangoon: cu | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:39 <gour> g'night | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:40 <vengfulsquirrel> I was just curious why they named the module helloWorld and not helloworld. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:40 <gour> the problem is that for all of you docs is not needed, and therefore you cannot be good-enough in estimating its importance :-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:41 <vengfulsquirrel> I wish that was True for me. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:41 <woakas> vengfulsquirrel: no exist a reason | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:42 <gour> just like when phd haskellers talking about catamorphisms & monad transformers have to explain basic principle to the noob | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:43 <woakas> vengfulsquirrel: if you want to change this well | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:46 <vengfulsquirrel> woakas: Can I change it to just hello? I think it might be confusing since there is no uppercase in the other modules and I don't know if 'hello.hello' will work. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:47 <vengfulsquirrel> Oh actually I guess it wouldn't matter, but it seems confusing to me. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:47 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: hello.hello as the directory name is not a good python name (I'm not sure even if it's valid...) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:47 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: for consistency with the other Tryton modules, it should be hello_world IMHO | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:47 <vengfulsquirrel> carlos: No that is the Model's name, the directory name is helloWorld, I propose to change it to just hello. So the model hello.hello will reside in /hello/hello.py. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:48 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: yeah, the name may be hello.hello, just like party's one is party.party | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:48 <vengfulsquirrel> carlos: Except for the other modules <name0>_<name1> usually implies an extension of the a module named name0. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:48 <vengfulsquirrel> carlos: So I think either hello or helloworld. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:48 <vengfulsquirrel> Sorry if I'm nit picking. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:49 <Timitos> vengfulsquirrel: yes. if the model is called hello.hello the module should be called only hello. this would be correct for the guidelines. but i already learn that it is hard sometimes to find a good name for a module | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:50 <Timitos> @all: good n8. cu | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:50 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: hmm google_maps and google_translate is not following your rule ;-) | ||
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| 2009-09-04 22:50 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: so hello_world would be just like those | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:50 <paepke> Timitos: n8 | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:51 <vengfulsquirrel> Timitos: Yes I know, well I'll think about name change but I'm going to fix some words this wiki document was a good idea. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:51 <gour> Timitos: 'night | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:51 <vengfulsquirrel> carlos: Ha the tragedy! | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:52 <gour> who can edit the wiki? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:52 <vengfulsquirrel> I can edit the wiki, I think, maybe it depends on the page. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:53 <carlos> vengfulsquirrel: I think the permission is global | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:53 <carlos> gour: If you have any interesting contribution, you can request access to it | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:53 <carlos> cedk or bechamel should be able to give you such access | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:53 <gour> carlos: not yet, my contribution would consist of questions only :-D | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:54 <carlos> gour: then, start with a roundup account ;-) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:54 <gour> btw, people who are commenting openerp's docs are burnt as well ;) | ||
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| 2009-09-04 22:54 <gour> carlos: submitting tickets as RFE in docs? | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:56 <carlos> gour: I don't know what others may think, but I think it may be quite useful to know the areas we should document/improve | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:57 <gour> carlos: ok. let me think about it. | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:58 <gour> now i'm going to sleep...if you have some suggestion to my query-post in ml, pls. respond ;) | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:58 <gour> g'night | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:58 <carlos> night | ||
| 2009-09-04 22:58 <paepke> gour: night | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:26 <paepke> n8 | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:26 <vengfulsquirrel> gn | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:26 <udono> see you | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:32 <vengfulsquirrel> woakas: Do you have a minute to discuss views? I'm just trying to proofread this tutorial and I had some questions. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:33 <woakas> vengfulsquirrel: yes, tell me | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:35 <vengfulsquirrel> For this part in the second step, '''Add the event for the menu Hello World is important to consider the id ''', do you know why it is necessary to include the model in the xml? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:35 <vengfulsquirrel> http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/HelloWorld | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:37 <vengfulsquirrel> Tell me if this is what is happening: We create an event(hello_view_tree), then we connect that event to the tree view(act_hello_form_view1) and form view( act_hello_form_view2) and then we connect the menu item to that event, so now the user double clicks the menu item and it opens the tree view, and if they switch it opens the form view. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:39 <vengfulsquirrel> woakas: ^, sorry I always forget to label | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:40 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: nearby | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:41 <vengfulsquirrel> ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:41 <vengfulsquirrel> nearly? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:43 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: act_hello_form_view1 and 2 are connected to hello_view_tree and hello_view_form. The sequence says which view will be shown at first, when you call the action act_hello_world_form. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:43 <vengfulsquirrel> Yes, so tree will be shown first. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:43 <vengfulsquirrel> I guess the confusing part is why is the event of type form? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:43 <udono> yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:44 <vengfulsquirrel> The event is type form but its showing a tree(which is really a list). | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:45 <woakas> vengfulsquirrel: this is a view form, view http://doc.tryton.org/1.2/trytond/doc/views.html | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:45 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: yes, there are some problems with the namings. They all come from tinyerp. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:46 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: not problems, but ambigurities | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:46 <vengfulsquirrel> I guess my question is why does the event have a type and why is it associated with the model it seems that it does not need that information, is that wrong ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:47 <vengfulsquirrel> I understand that the form's view needs that information but wouldn't associated the form's view to the event give the event that information ? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:48 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: no, you are wrong | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:49 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: this 'form' is another 'form' then on type attribute in ir.ui.view definitions | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:50 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: see in /tryton/tryton/gui/window/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:51 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: the mentioned view_type could be 'tree' or 'board' or 'form' | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:52 <vengfulsquirrel> Is tree like the product inventory by location view? | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:53 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: grep -R "name=\"view_type\">tree" * | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:53 <vengfulsquirrel> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138086/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:53 <vengfulsquirrel> So I guess yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:54 <udono> yes | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:54 <vengfulsquirrel> I think you or someone tried to explain that to me in the past. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:54 <vengfulsquirrel> The different between a tree view and a tree action. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:54 <vengfulsquirrel> *difference | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:55 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: yes, remember http://paste.pocoo.org/show/129203/ | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:56 <udono> vengfulsquirrel: but I need to go sleep. Good night, see you. | ||
| 2009-09-04 23:57 <vengfulsquirrel> Thanks, udono, talk to you later. |
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