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| 2010-02-12 10:07 <cedk> sharoon: for pdf generation did you try http://www.openobject.com/forum/post51097.html#51097 | ||
| 2010-02-12 10:09 <sharoon> cedk: will try today | ||
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| 2010-02-12 12:46 <paepke> cedk, i'm preparing an answer to the better search gui. have some gui proposals. answering to tryton-dev or to tryton? | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:48 <cedk> paepke: it depends if your anwser is technical or not | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:49 <bechamel> cedk: cross-posting is bad ;) | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:50 <paepke> cedk, well its describing a frontend. its part-technical :-D | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:50 <paepke> i'll post to both ;-) | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:50 <paepke> just kidding... | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:50 <cedk> bechamel: I don't say cross post | ||
| 2010-02-12 12:51 <cedk> bechamel: I started a technical discussion on tryton-dev and a general discussion on tryton | ||
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| 2010-02-12 16:46 <petrus> I am having difficulties with cloning/pulling repositories. the process starts but then it just hangs | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:46 <cedk> petrus: strange, I check the server | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:47 <petrus> it happens after the message "adding changsets" - nothing is going on locally | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:48 <cedk> petrus: which command do you run? | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:48 <cedk> petrus: I don't see access from your host? Do you use the same than for irc? | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:49 <petrus> hg clone http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/ or pull doesn't matter | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:49 <petrus> no it is a different machine | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:50 <cedk> petrus: could you give me the IP to check the logs | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:50 <petrus> 129.173.213.106 | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:51 <petrus> it is still connected | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:51 <cedk> petrus: no log for this IP | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:52 <cedk> petrus: have you IPv6 connection? | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:53 <petrus> also the other day while I was successful with individual repos, I could not clone the whole modules tree using the suggested forest extension, the root dir did not seem a hg repo | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:53 <petrus> no IPv6 connection | ||
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| 2010-02-12 16:55 <cedk> petrus: it looks like a connection issue | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:55 <cedk> petrus: it should be good to have mirror in America | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:56 <cedk> petrus: could you retry to clone the repo | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:57 <cedk> petrus: and did the server answer to simple ping? | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:57 <petrus> I am following many other repos, never had this problem, I am sitting on a big pipe | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:58 <cedk> petrus: I don't say it is your connection, it is possible that it is the one from our provider | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:58 <petrus> just started hg clone http://hg.tryton.org/tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 16:59 <cedk> petrus: I see a clone connection from 2001:410:a010:d4:20a:5eff:fe51:da47 | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:00 <petrus> hmm, don't think so, I have just pulled tryton from the machine I am sitting at, can you see the logs | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:00 <petrus> but the other machine still hangs | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:01 <cedk> petrus: so from one it works and the other one not ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:02 <petrus> at the moment it looks like that | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:02 <cedk> petrus: it is very strange | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:02 <cedk> petrus: and ping works? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:03 <petrus> oh, the connection what you see for the clone is mine, but this ipv6! , so it is my host at fault | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:04 <cedk> petrus: but ipv6 should work | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:05 <cedk> petrus: perhaps not yet over the see :-) | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:05 <petrus> can you see the other action in the log? it was a pull from tryton, how it shows up? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:07 <cedk> petrus: every requests are 200 | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:08 <petrus> even the ipv6 clone connection? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:08 <petrus> but it never finishes | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:08 <cedk> petrus: yes I checked all your ipv6 connections | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:08 <cedk> petrus: put they are perhaps lost somewhere? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:08 <cedk> petrus: you can use the ipv4 to try | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:10 <vengfulsquirrel> I thought ipv4 and ipv6 was supposed to be seamless? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:10 <petrus> they don;t get lost, that would break the connection -- as I said before with other repos (all over the world) it works | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:12 <cedk> petrus: perhaps a temporary issue with ipv6 routing? | ||
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| 2010-02-12 17:12 <cedk> petrus: or did you ever clone repo over ipv6 ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:12 <petrus> could be, although it has been consistent for the last few days | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:12 <cedk> petrus: there is perhaps a MTU issue | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:13 <petrus> I am cloning other repos all the time form this particular machine | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:14 <cedk> petrus: but are they ipv6 enabled? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:14 <petrus> don't know, never asked | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:14 <cedk> petrus: personnaly I have an ipv6 connection and I can clone the repo | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:15 <petrus> OK I have just pulled the full django, no problem | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:16 <cedk> petrus: what is the url? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:16 <petrus> https://bitbucket.org/mirror/django-trunk/ | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:17 <cedk> petrus: no ipv6 address | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:20 <cedk> petrus: ok, I setup two alias for hg.tryton.org one ipv4 only and one ipv6 only | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:20 <cedk> petrus: so you can try: hg clone http://hg4.tryton.org/trytond | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:22 <petrus> thank you that worked! | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:22 <cedk> so hg4 for ipv4 and hg6 for ipv6 | ||
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| 2010-02-12 17:27 <petrus> great, still it would be nice to know what the problem is, I can ping6 from the machine | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:28 <petrus> anyway, thanks I'll look into this later | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:29 <petrus> how about the hg forest extension, did I misunderstand something? | ||
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| 2010-02-12 17:31 <cedk> petrus: we use forest to perform some command on all the repos at once | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:31 <cedk> petrus: but not to clone | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:31 <cedk> petrus: we do stuff like that: hg fpull -u | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:31 <cedk> petrus: on top of trytond and all modules are pulled also | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:31 <petrus> so there is no way to clone all .../modules/ | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:33 <cedk> petrus: there is two scripts | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:34 <cedk> petrus: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationMercurial#Automatic_Way | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:34 <petrus> if does fpull works ../modules/ fclone should work too, should not it? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:35 <cedk> petrus: no it doesn't | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:35 <cedk> petrus: to have fclone we shoud create a repo that handle in a file all the repo and the revision | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:36 <cedk> petrus: but perhaps there is a trick but I did not find it | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:36 <petrus> thanks for the scripts, I'll try it | ||
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| 2010-02-12 17:38 <petrus> in my limited experience with hgforest, if the root dir a hg repo (made by hg init only) hgforest can fclone | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:39 <petrus> even if no sub-repos ever checked into the root dir | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:39 <cedk> petrus: I think but it will force everybody to have all the modules | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:39 <cedk> petrus: and we want to prevent that, you must have only needed modules | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:39 <petrus> so maybe this is the "trick" -- not 100% sure, but worth a try | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:41 <petrus> it would not force anybody, at the moment hg fclone .../moduls/ doesn't work | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:41 <petrus> with this trick, it would, maybe -- but nobody has to use it unless they wanted | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:43 <cedk> petrus: not sure to understand correctly | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:46 <petrus> run a "hg init" in .../modules/, do not add anything, after that hg fclone .../modules/ would clone all modules | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:46 <petrus> well, that is the theory | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:47 <cedk> petrus: from where the module lists will come? | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:47 <petrus> re: "two scripts" in the wiki -- they give HTTP 404 | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:49 <petrus> I have no idea, how hgforest works, I believe the suggested setup worked for me when I was testing it. never added anything to the root repo | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:49 <cedk> petrus: my fault, I break hg.tryton.org with the ipv? fix | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:49 <petrus> the it is my fault :-) | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:50 <cedk> petrus: now scripts must work | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:50 <petrus> yes they work | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:58 <petrus> cedk, I have just tested my hgforest theory, runing a "hg init" in a directory containing hg repos and other ordinary files directories | ||
| 2010-02-12 17:59 <petrus> after the hg fclone works on the root dir and clones a the repos but leave any other dirs/files out | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:00 <petrus> it looks a better solution then the scripts? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:01 <petrus> then --> than | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:03 <petrus> the subrepos' ./hg/hgrc files are correctly set up, so everything would work as expected | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:05 <cedk> petrus: still not sure to understand | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:05 <cedk> petrus: could you put the command you run | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:06 <petrus> change into .../modules/ | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:06 <petrus> run "hg init" | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:06 <petrus> that is all, nothing more are ever needed | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:07 <cedk> so I really don't understand | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:07 <cedk> you get nothing when running that | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:08 <petrus> after that, I should be able to fclone all module repos at once by "fclone .../modules" | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:08 <cedk> petrus: I got "abort: Remote forests cannot be cloned because the other repository doesn't support the forest extension." | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:09 <cedk> petrus: but I'm not sure to understand what is ".../modules"? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:09 <petrus> of course you get: the .hg/ structure is created, and that is all what hgforest care about | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:09 <petrus> and as I said, I just did that with my tryton repos -- it worked | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:10 <cedk> petrus: but what is working? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:10 <petrus> fclone | ||
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| 2010-02-12 18:10 <cedk> petrus: fclone what? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:11 <petrus> and any other hgforest command | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:13 <cedk> petrus: I still don't see how you do to get all modules at once | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:13 <petrus> I assume that you keep all modules repositories in the .../modules/ directory | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:13 <petrus> is that correct? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:15 <petrus> if so then after running "hg init" in this directory, "hg clone http://hg.tryton.org/modules/" would clone all modules | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:15 <petrus> I cannot explain better | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:16 <cedk> petrus: I receive: "abort: requirement '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">' not supported!" | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:16 <cedk> petrus: so it doesn't work for me | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:17 <cedk> petrus: which version of mercurial and forest do you have? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:17 <petrus> did you do the hg init? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:17 <cedk> petrus: yes | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:18 <petrus> please try to clone it locally -- maybe through mod_wsgi it does not work, but it did work for me locally | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:19 <cedk> petrus: ok it works locally but not on the web | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:19 <petrus> obviously, hgforest does some king of directory traversal, otherwise how it would know about the subrepos | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:19 <cedk> petrus: maybe it requires forest on the server | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:20 <petrus> OK, so we are halfway, yes hgforest should be on the server too | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:23 <petrus> additionally, you may need to take care permissions in respect to the directory traversals | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:25 <petrus> if that method worked, that would give you a nice way to organize all your repos into one/various hgforests | ||
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| 2010-02-12 18:29 <cedk> petrus: yes but I don't find how to make it work on the web | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:31 <petrus> have you installed hgforest on the server, so the mod_wsgi/hg can see it? | ||
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| 2010-02-12 18:35 <cedk> petrus: don't know yet how to activate it | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:36 <mlhamel> hey guys | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:37 <cedk> petrus: it works through ssh, still looking for cgi | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:37 <cedk> mlhamel: hi | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:37 <mlhamel> I`m in a situation where I want to work on tryton but my employer think it`s really important to be part of the openep 'hype' | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:38 <mlhamel> In fact, the web interface is the more important thing that blocked us to use tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:38 <mlhamel> We talked about 2 days ago | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:39 <mlhamel> but I,m really curious to know if you have some plans and if there's some help that you might need ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:39 <cedk> mlhamel: for sure a web client is good for hype :-) | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:39 <cedk> mlhamel: there is some works to be able to implement one | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <mlhamel> can you tell me more ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <cedk> mlhamel: I'm working on a prototype with GWT | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <petrus> cedk, that is progress, if I can think something about the cgi (so that is what you use not mod_wsgi) I'll let you know | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <petrus> cedk, anyway we are almost there | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <cedk> petrus: yes | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:40 <cedk> petrus: thx | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:41 <mlhamel> ok why did you choose gwt and not a python web framework ? i'm just curious... | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:41 <cedk> mlhamel: but we don't know yet when it could become a fulltime project | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:41 <mlhamel> cause there's tg2, pylons, djngo, bfg... | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:41 <cedk> mlhamel: we want something that works like the GTK client | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:42 <cedk> mlhamel: so a full JS application that run on the browser and do only query to the server like GTK client does | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:42 <petrus> what is GWT? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:42 <cedk> petrus: http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:42 <cedk> mlhamel: don't know all the frameworks you named, but most of it are template based | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:42 <cedk> mlhamel: so the load is on the server and we want to avoid that | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:43 <mlhamel> yes the load is on the server but you can have a webserver on another machine | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:43 <petrus> I would second to mlhamel , why webtoolkit? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:43 <petrus> what is the advantage? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:44 <mlhamel> in fact it was more question cause i'm a pretty big fan of pylons and tg2. There are pretty mature and written in python | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:44 <cedk> petrus: scalability | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:44 <mlhamel> you can then attract attract people who can work on the core and on the frontend | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:44 <mlhamel> and the deployement is pretty easy | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:44 <petrus> both django and pylons, to mention just the tow big ones, can be stripped down and quite scalable | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:45 <cedk> and also maintenance, for now on my prototype, I can reproduce the same code structure then the GTK client, so maintenance will be simplier | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:45 <mlhamel> and you will not have to use the orm as you communicate with trytond | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:45 <petrus> I also think a web interface is very important, not hype | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:45 <cedk> by the way, I have tested pyjamas http://pyjs.org/ but it is not yet mature enough | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:46 <mlhamel> yes but the question is, to you really need to have an ajaxified web interface ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:46 <cedk> petrus: yes, it depends of the needs. It was joke (today web interface is in the hype) | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:47 <cedk> mlhamel: I don't care what is the techno behind. The goals is to have a client that work like the other one | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:48 <cedk> mlhamel: and by "work like" I means that makes the same queries | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:48 <cedk> mlhamel: and that on the client side to have good scalability | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:49 <cedk> mlhamel: and I think GWT is a good framework to achieve that | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:49 <cedk> mlhamel: I tested also qooxdoo, but writing JS is too difficult I find | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:49 <cedk> mlhamel: but I don't really like the java but I do with | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:50 <petrus> a related issue, a json API/json- rpc would be very useful | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:50 <mlhamel> Yes I agee with you about the the scalability but i just not sure of the need to replicate a desktop application on the web | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:50 <cedk> petrus: in trunk there is json-rpc | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:50 <cedk> petrus: I use it for the GWT proto | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:51 <petrus> thanks, i'll look into it | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:51 <cedk> mlhamel: we have the technology to do it | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:51 <cedk> mlhamel: of course I don't hope to have the same ergonomy then the GTK | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:52 <petrus> cedk, any performance comparison between "net-rpc" and json-rpc, json is definitelly the first step to a web interface | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:52 <mlhamel> i understand you point but it's more an ergonomic question, people tend to want something else on the web, not necessarly the same thing they have on the desktop | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:53 <mlhamel> and for that reason I was thinking about classical python's web framework | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:54 <mlhamel> but it's more a kind of idealogic debat and I don't want to start a flamewar about our vision of the web | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:54 <mlhamel> you are the tryton dev and me not | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:57 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah a web client seems like so much work for very little value when there could be some many other features and/or improvements. | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:57 <vengfulsquirrel> Do people actually require a web based client ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:57 <petrus> vengfulsquirrel, YES! | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:58 <mlhamel> YES ! | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:58 <cedk> petrus: no bechmark but net-rpc should be little faster as it is python only | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:58 <petrus> also json API | ||
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| 2010-02-12 18:58 <vengfulsquirrel> Why? | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:58 <vengfulsquirrel> A desktop client will most likely always be faster and more reliable. | ||
| 2010-02-12 18:59 <mlhamel> on my side i'm using less and less desktop applications | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:00 <mlhamel> the browser and emacs are the only things open on my computer | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:00 <vengfulsquirrel> Not to mention most browsers are total resource hogs and incredibly difficult to maintain support for. | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:00 <petrus> if the difference is not significant in a practical sense a unified, json protocol can be a nice unifying design principle | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:01 <mlhamel> In fact, I tend to feel it's now more easy to maintain a web application then a desktop one | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:01 <petrus> desktop clients, web interface, external service interfaces could use more or less the same protocol | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:03 <petrus> as mlhamel mentioned not every page of or every web interface would provide the same as the desktop interface | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:03 <petrus> some may, others don't | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:03 <paepke> cedk, short question about issue 1352: what about the ./*.pot files? should they be included in the doc patch? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:05 <paepke> cedk, they will be pushed by every translator. thats confusing me. | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:05 <mlhamel> oh and by the way | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:06 <mlhamel> I was curious to know what was the reason you decided to fork directly openerp | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:06 <mlhamel> is there some communications between you and them ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:06 <mlhamel> no chance of collaboration ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:13 <cedk> paepke: I think it can work like the pot file of the client | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:14 <cedk> mlhamel: bechamel and me are old employee of Tiny | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:14 <cedk> mlhamel: http://www.tryton.org/documentation/faq.html | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:14 <cedk> mlhamel: but globally at that time we were not happy with the management of the project | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:15 <paepke> cedk, you mean it won't be pushed cause they have the same checksum? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:15 <paepke> cedk, pushed mean overwritten on hg... | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:15 <cedk> paepke: if they are based on the same file, normally there will be no change | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:15 <mlhamel> yes I can understand and I think you are correct about the way they managed, historically the project | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:16 <cedk> mlhamel: we saw some changes (I guess somes because of the Tryton fork) | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:16 <cedk> mlhamel: but there is still a lot of wrong stuffs | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:16 <mlhamel> I've just start to take a look at openerp, tiny | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:16 <paepke> cedk, ok. i have to prepare some things than the german client doku is ready for pushing. | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:16 <mlhamel> and they really need to do something to upgrade their software | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:17 <cedk> paepke: ok good | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:17 <mlhamel> but it would be more logical for me to work on tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:17 <mlhamel> but i'm not the master who can decided that | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:17 <cedk> mlhamel: yes the more people will work on Tryton the faster it will grow | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:18 <cedk> mlhamel: you work on OpenERP for your-self or for customer? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:18 <mlhamel> none of these reasons :) | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:19 <cedk> mlhamel: your-self I mean your company usage | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:19 <mlhamel> I'm working on OpenERP/tryton to implement it where I work, Savoir-Faire Linux | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:19 <mlhamel> we are in Montreal, a service/consultation company | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:20 <cedk> mlhamel: by the way, if you speak french there is the #tryton-fr | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:20 <mlhamel> and we need to replace our internal ERP and to gain some experience to be abble to install it and configure it for our clients | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:20 <cedk> mlhamel: ok both | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:21 <mlhamel> then you are speaking french too ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:21 <cedk> mlhamel: it depends of your needs but I think there is good chance that Tryton can do what you need | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:21 <cedk> mlhamel: yes | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:21 <mlhamel> hehe ok I'll swtich do tryton-fr then | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:56 <cedk> mlhamel: it seems we can not enable extensions in hgwebdir | ||
| 2010-02-12 19:59 <cedk> http://markmail.org/message/ugyrb2pc5wxiimyg#query:hgwebdir%20extensions+page:1+mid:7k3fccunwkqcts35+state:results | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:21 <mlhamel> sharoon: are your there ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:21 <sharoon> mlhamel: yes | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:23 <mlhamel> Hello sharron! | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:23 <sharoon> hello mlhamel | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:23 <mlhamel> cedk just tell me you are using tryton and you connect it to your django web site ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:24 <sharoon> mlhamel: yes | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:24 <mlhamel> I'm working at Savoir-Faire Linux, a linux specialized company in canada | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:24 <mlhamel> and we are evaluating openerp v.s. tryton right now | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:25 <mlhamel> in fact, at start it was just openerp but then I discovered tryton and I really like it | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:25 <sharoon> mlhamel: ok | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:26 <sharoon> mlhamel: are you planning to have django also? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:26 <mlhamel> your link between tryton and django, can you tell me more ? Are doing read/write operation ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:26 <mlhamel> what is the level of comlexity of the beast ? | ||
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| 2010-02-12 20:27 <sharoon> mlhamel: what we did was extremely simple | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:28 <sharoon> mlhamel: we used tryton as a module, diabled loggin because it behind apache and wsgi doesnt like STDIO | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:28 <sharoon> mlhamel: our accounts is maintaied in tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:28 <sharoon> mlhamel: so customers can see their invoices on the django site (kind of portal) | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:28 <mlhamel> ok | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:28 <sharoon> mlhamel: its integrated with paypal and they can choose to pay online | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:29 <sharoon> mlhamel: on successfull payment django will record the payment in tryton and close it | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:29 <mlhamel> ok cool | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:29 <sharoon> mlhamel: we quote rates in multiple currencies, and tryton handles the conversion | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:29 <mlhamel> and do you anything publicly available or it's more an internal project ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:30 <sharoon> mlhamel: its currently internal but looks like one of our clients who uses our system is impressed and wants to implement the same | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:30 <mlhamel> I'm saying that cause right now we are evaluating to the two concurrents | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:30 <mlhamel> openerp and tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:31 <sharoon> mlhamel: ok | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:31 <mlhamel> My boss is pushing for openerp but i'm really not sure it's the good choice | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:31 <sharoon> mlhamel: what are your criterias for choise | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:31 <sharoon> mlhamel: do you have manufacturing? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:31 <sharoon> mlhamel: do you trade in multiple currencies? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:32 <mlhamel> we are not really the kind of companies dealing with manufacturing and things like | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:32 <mlhamel> we are in the computer services | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:32 <sharoon> mlhamel: i think tryton is better in such a case, do you have e-commerce? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:33 <mlhamel> then it's more a way to deal with accounting, time-sheets, projects. .. | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:33 <mlhamel> nope | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <sharoon> mlhamel: we use similar stuff | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <sharoon> mlhamel: we have our leads managed intryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <sharoon> mlhamel: projects, tasks and gantts in django | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <mlhamel> and you are happy with it ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <sharoon> mlhamel: billing rest of it in tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:34 <sharoon> mlhamel: We work on both Open ERP and Tryton | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:35 <sharoon> mlhamel: i recommend tryton for the stability it has | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:35 <mlhamel> ok | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:35 <sharoon> mlhamel: Open ERP is marketed well probably why your boss likes it :P | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:35 <mlhamel> hehe yes exactly | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:35 <sharoon> mlhamel: tryton would be cheaper for you end of the day | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:36 <sharoon> mlhamel: we have already started seeing that tryton development happens faster than Open ERp | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:36 <sharoon> mlhamel: and of course quality | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:36 <mlhamel> And are you open to a certain collaboration on the django part of the code ? | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:37 <sharoon> mlhamel: sure | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:37 <mlhamel> I might be in charge of this part of the developement here and our work on that could be interesting for you too | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:37 <mlhamel> as I said, i dont at what level your code is tight to your business... | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:38 <sharoon> mlhamel: i assure you its extremely simple with tryton and there's no overload of xml-rpc if both the django site and tryton are on same server | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:38 <mlhamel> ok | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:42 <mlhamel> I was telling that cause we are searching to develop something that we might be abble to deploy to our client too if they need something like that, Then if we start to build a django interface around Tryton, we'll make sure everything is correctly make to made abstract to our own business model | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:43 <mlhamel> But i'll make a couple of test of trytond and django and we'll see... | ||
| 2010-02-12 20:57 <sharoon> mlhamel: please feel free to ping, use my name in the conversation or i wont be alerted by my client | ||
| 2010-02-12 21:33 <mlhamel> cool sharoon, I will ... :) |
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