IRC logs of #tryton for Thursday, 2010-06-03 #tryton log beginning Thu Jun 3 00:00:01 CEST 2010
2010-06-03 00:00 <Clint> i'd love for someone else to tell us
2010-06-03 00:09 <plantian> I don't know either, I'm still using 1.4, and I have a Pay button. I think that's through the sale workflow though.
2010-06-03 00:11 <plantian> After clicking the Open button on the Invoice it is replaced with a Pay button.
2010-06-03 00:11 <Clint> that sounds right
2010-06-03 00:16 <Ivannn> I didn't try the sale workflow, but now that I do i get a notice saying something like there is a missing default property "income account"
2010-06-03 00:16 <Ivannn> (when pressing the Confirm button)
2010-06-03 00:17 <Ivannn> any ideas?
2010-06-03 00:21 <cedk> Ivannn, Clint : if you have installed account_statement then the pay button on invoice is removed
2010-06-03 00:21 <cedk> and then you must use the statement to enter all the payment
2010-06-03 00:22 <Clint> thanks!
2010-06-03 00:23 <cedk> Ivannn: do you put a product on sale line?
2010-06-03 00:23 <Ivannn> yes
2010-06-03 00:24 <Clint> cedk: hmm, removing a module doesn't seem to be straightforward
2010-06-03 00:27 <Ivannn> cedk: thanks. i was now trying to create the payment entry in Entries, is that ok? I think the normal workflow is that you entry the invoice, and then the payment separately in the Entries menu item
2010-06-03 00:28 <cedk> Ivannn: are you sure about the "income account" error message?
2010-06-03 00:28 <cedk> Clint: no removing module is not reliable for now
2010-06-03 00:28 <Clint> cedk: so i can't disable account_statement?
2010-06-03 00:29 <cedk> Ivannn: in the statement menu
2010-06-03 00:29 <cedk> Clint: once installed, no
2010-06-03 00:29 <Ivannn> cedk: statment, right. It's Asientos in mine ;)
2010-06-03 00:29 <Ivannn> cedk: yes, it's a separate issue but i'm not able to complete a sale.
2010-06-03 00:30 <Clint> cedk: ergh
2010-06-03 00:30 <Ivannn> cedk: except if I select "manual" in the invoice method
2010-06-03 00:31 <cedk> Ivannn: there is no error message in Tryton that uses "Income Account"
2010-06-03 00:32 <Ivannn> cedk: how do i lookup the translation? the error message is in spanish
2010-06-03 00:32 <Ivannn> cedk: and it's not an "error" message but just a warning dialog
2010-06-03 00:33 <Ivannn> "Falta una propiedad determinada de <<cuenta de ingresos>>"
2010-06-03 00:34 <cedk> Ivannn: change the user language
2010-06-03 00:35 <cedk> Clint: about uninstallation
2010-06-03 00:35 <Ivannn> cedk: "It misses an "account Revenue" default property!"
2010-06-03 00:36 <cedk> Ivannn: so it is the product that is missing this account
2010-06-03 00:36 <cedk> Ivannn: open the product and check the Accounting tab
2010-06-03 00:38 <Clint> cedk: i fudged it in the database and things seem happy so far
2010-06-03 00:38 <Ivannn> cedk: that's it.
2010-06-03 00:39 <Ivannn> cedk: however I should be able to enter just a description/qty/price/tax withouth looking up a product, right?
2010-06-03 00:39 <cedk> Clint: it can work, it depends of the content of the module
2010-06-03 00:40 <cedk> Ivannn: yes, but for that you must define a default property for product accounts
2010-06-03 00:40 <cedk> Ivannn: for now, it is a little technical to create it
2010-06-03 00:41 <cedk> Ivannn: in "Administration>Models>Default Properties"
2010-06-03 00:43 <Ivannn> cedk: i see, I guess that would be necesary in my case
2010-06-03 00:44 <cedk> Ivannn: I'm going to bed now
2010-06-03 00:44 <cedk> Ivannn: if you need help to create this records, send an email on mailing list
2010-06-03 00:45 <Ivannn> cedk: thanks, good night
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2010-06-03 13:03 <SISalp1> hello,
2010-06-03 13:03 <SISalp1> new to tryton, I installed neso on an Ubuntu lucid desktop
2010-06-03 13:04 <SISalp1> and cannot find an easy way to get modules
2010-06-03 13:04 <SISalp1> any pointer ?
2010-06-03 13:39 <cedk> SISalp1: how did you install it?
2010-06-03 13:41 <bechamel> SISalp1: there is a package "tryton-modules-all" so it seems you only have to install it (and probably relaunch neso)
2010-06-03 13:44 <SISalp1> Hi, I installed from my synaptics menu
2010-06-03 13:44 <SISalp1> I give a try
2010-06-03 13:46 <SISalp1> found !
2010-06-03 13:48 <SISalp1> If you install looking for tryton it is obvious
2010-06-03 13:49 <SISalp1> but looking for neso, you don't have any chance to get them
2010-06-03 13:49 <SISalp1> either a neso meta-package is useful
2010-06-03 13:50 <SISalp1> or a neso-step-by-step doc page when clicking on tryton in the menu.
2010-06-03 13:52 <bechamel> SISalp1: maybe add tryton-modules-all into the "suggest" section of the package (like the tryton-client package suggest for the tryton-server package), but I don't know if synaptic show this section
2010-06-03 13:54 <SISalp1> no it doesn't
2010-06-03 13:54 <SISalp1> I got them :-)
2010-06-03 13:55 <bechamel> great
2010-06-03 13:55 <SISalp1> in which order should I pick them on ?
2010-06-03 14:02 <cedk> SISalp1: we are not responsible of the package naming
2010-06-03 14:02 <cedk> SISalp1: if it was mine, I will not name it like that :-(
2010-06-03 14:04 <SISalp1> I followed the ubuntu way, but what if neso were depending on tryton modules ?
2010-06-03 14:05 <SISalp1> neso is for newbyes isn't it ? so en empty neso isn't likely to be what is looked for
2010-06-03 14:05 <yangoon> bechamel: good idea, will add tryton-modules-all to suggests of neso
2010-06-03 14:06 <yangoon> SISalp1: it isn't a dependency
2010-06-03 14:07 <SISalp1> yangoon: from which standpoint ?
2010-06-03 14:07 <yangoon> SISalp1: from hte point of view of the definition of a dependency in debian
2010-06-03 14:07 <yangoon> SISalp1: neso is able to run without any module installed
2010-06-03 14:07 <SISalp1> but neso might become a meta-package
2010-06-03 14:11 <cedk> SISalp1: neso is not only for newbies, it could be a starting point for an offline project or a POS etc.
2010-06-03 14:13 <SISalp1> Ok, I'm not able to propose a solution, I think the point should be at least clearly addressed in the on line documentation
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2010-06-03 14:20 <SISalp1> On ubuntu, you'll get 1000 users browsing on synatics, clicking at random to see which is in the applications for one who nknows what he wants
2010-06-03 14:21 <SISalp1> thus the first experience is important.
2010-06-03 14:24 <bechamel> someone know why the "instalation > on Ubuntu" menu on the wiki is not a link ?
2010-06-03 14:28 <cedk> bechamel: because nobody wrote a page
2010-06-03 14:28 <cedk> bechamel: any way, on the wiki it is installation for devs
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2010-06-03 14:32 <SISalp1> cedk: nevertheless, I think neso documentation is surely kept secret :-)
2010-06-03 14:32 <yangoon> SISalp1: :)
2010-06-03 14:36 <SISalp1> I mean I'm using it now because it works like a charm, not because I understood how I got there ;-)
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2010-06-03 14:54 <yangoon> SISalp1: for your bug: please try another gtk theme, like raleigh
2010-06-03 14:55 <SISalp1> yangoon: so fast !
2010-06-03 14:56 <yangoon> SISalp1: we had this issue several times, would be good to report it to ubuntu
2010-06-03 14:58 <SISalp1> I don't find raleigh, but Clearlooks fives it. I learnt about the bugtracker anyway. Thank you.
2010-06-03 14:58 <SISalp1> fixes
2010-06-03 14:59 <yangoon> SISalp1: perfect
2010-06-03 15:03 <cedk> SISalp1, yangoon: it will be good to report it to upstream
2010-06-03 15:03 <SISalp1> I moved it to "resolved" and it disapeared. I expected I saw closed bugs before logging a new one and bother again.
2010-06-03 15:05 <cedk> SISalp1: it is the user responsability to search for previous issues
2010-06-03 15:11 <essich> cedk: table ir_action_wizard has a column "window". This will make restroig the database fail when upgrading to postgresql 8.4
2010-06-03 15:12 <essich> cedk: "window" is a new keyword in 8.4
2010-06-03 15:13 <cedk> essich: why? with quote it should work
2010-06-03 15:13 <essich> pg_dump does not quite :-(
2010-06-03 15:14 <essich> cedk: neither does the GUI
2010-06-03 15:14 <essich> s/quite/quote/
2010-06-03 15:15 <essich> cedk: this is defenitly a problem with pg_dump/pg_restore, but tryton users will fail on it :-(
2010-06-03 15:15 <cedk> essich: try with --disable-dollar-quoting
2010-06-03 15:16 <cedk> essich: dump/restore is not made for migration of database
2010-06-03 15:16 <essich> cedk: man page: --disable-dollar-quoting disables the use of dollar quoting for function bodies
2010-06-03 15:16 <essich> cedk: so --disable-dollar-quoting will not help
2010-06-03 15:17 <cedk> essich: "... use SQL standard quoting"
2010-06-03 15:17 <cedk> essich: otherwise report it to PostgreSQL
2010-06-03 15:17 <essich> cedk: "for *function bodies*" nothing else (this says the man-page)
2010-06-03 15:18 <essich> cedk: users will expect to be able to restore the dump from the GUI into a new db-version.
2010-06-03 15:19 <essich> cedk: I will report to postgres anyway. But we are facing a problem here, if postgres will not fix in time.
2010-06-03 15:20 <cedk> essich: users will expect wrong
2010-06-03 15:20 <cedk> essich: we can not assure that a dump made in one version will work on an other
2010-06-03 15:25 <SISalp1> cedk: search for previous issues, how ? I only open bugs, again, it must be obvious but :-(
2010-06-03 15:26 <cedk> SISalp1: search box is on the top right
2010-06-03 15:26 <cedk> SISalp1: or
2010-06-03 15:26 <cedk> SISalp1: from the left menu
2010-06-03 15:32 <SISalp1> And leaving blank the search field I get everything since the bing-bang. I can live with this. Thank you.
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2010-06-03 17:49 <Mithrandir> hiya, are there any good guides to getting started with tryton? I've played a little bit around with openerp previously, and they are similar, but a guide on setting up a "normal" company would be useful.
2010-06-03 17:49 <Mithrandir> to the extent you can usefully talk about a normal company, that is.
2010-06-03 17:52 <bechamel> Mithrandir: not to my knowledge, but lots of concepts are similar to openerp
2010-06-03 17:52 <bechamel> if you have specific question just ask here
2010-06-03 17:53 <Mithrandir> I don't know it well enough to have useful specific questions yet. :-)
2010-06-03 17:53 <Mithrandir> I'm trying to decide on an ERP system for a 40-50 person international software consulting company.
2010-06-03 17:54 <Mithrandir> we don't need the ability to track stocks and such, but we need timesheet support and tracking of invoices and expenses and such.
2010-06-03 17:54 <Mithrandir> I assume tryton is capable to do that.
2010-06-03 17:55 <bechamel> Mithrandir: yes
2010-06-03 17:58 <cedk> Mithrandir: there is also multi analytic plan
2010-06-03 17:58 <cedk> Mithrandir: perhaps you will need it
2010-06-03 17:59 <cedk> ACTION bbl
2010-06-03 18:01 <bechamel> Mithrandir: there are some user doc
2010-06-03 18:15 <Mithrandir> bechamel: yeah, thanks, I've looked a little bit at those, I feel like I'm still missing a bit of an overview, though.
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2010-06-03 18:16 <bechamel> Mithrandir: yes user doc is really missing
2010-06-03 18:16 <Mithrandir> but ok, now that I've done the dishes, I have a couple of specific questions: how easy is it to integrate with existing tools? Like, we already have a user db, so I'd like to be able to import/sync/use that. Similarly, we use gtimelog for logging time and upload that into a custom python/django system, would getting the data from there into tryton be easy/hard/trivial/impossible?
2010-06-03 18:18 <bechamel> Mithrandir: look at if you want to interface tryton with other tools
2010-06-03 18:19 <Mithrandir> ah, cool.
2010-06-03 18:19 <Mithrandir> it even has a "django and tryton" link in the sidebar. As long as we keep the API, replacing the innards are fine.
2010-06-03 18:20 <bechamel> Mithrandir: there is also proteus: which abstract the client side-work when you interact with tryton, buth it's currently pre-alpha
2010-06-03 18:22 <Mithrandir> thanks, I'll take a look.
2010-06-03 18:22 <Mithrandir> how good/stable/usable is the web ui yet?
2010-06-03 18:23 <yangoon> SISalp1: could you please tell me the name of the theme your ubuntu was using first by default
2010-06-03 18:23 <bechamel> it's pre-alpha too, so far from usable
2010-06-03 18:24 <Mithrandir> ok, thanks. I think I'll give tryton a real shot, not at least because this channel is way more useful than the #openobjects one, where getting useful feedback was very hard when I tried some months ago. :-)
2010-06-03 18:25 <dba> it didn't improve since then
2010-06-03 18:25 <bechamel> Mithrandir: gtimelog seems a nice little app btw
2010-06-03 18:25 <Mithrandir> bechamel: yeah, we have some extra bits bolted on so it'll categorise hours and upload the timesheet to a server.
2010-06-03 18:26 <Mithrandir> it's very lightweight and easy, but works well for us.
2010-06-03 18:28 <bechamel> ACTION bzr branch lp:gtimelog
2010-06-03 18:28 <Mithrandir> our stuff's on;a=summary
2010-06-03 18:29 <bechamel> thx
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2010-06-03 20:44 <SISalp1> yangoon: Thems were Ambiance and Radiance. I think they are new in 10.4, Clearlooks is ok. I don't have many thems, maybe because I installed ubuntu on a virtual machine and tried to keep it reasonnably thin.
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