IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2011-01-05 #tryton log beginning Wed Jan 5 00:00:02 CET 2011
2011-01-05 00:34 <Hydrant> is there a changelog or something for Tryton... I haven't found anything obvious on the site
2011-01-05 00:34 <Hydrant> I can either go with Ubuntu packages... 1.4... or manually install and get 1.8...
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2011-01-05 01:21 <dba> Hydrant: or install 1.8 from debian experimental (packages are not experimental, but they are there because of the upcoming squeeze release).
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2011-01-05 03:19 <Hydrant> dba: yah, I thought about doing that... to keep the scripts and such
2011-01-05 03:19 <Hydrant> I wasn't sure if there were other deps that would mess things up though
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2011-01-05 03:56 <Hydrant> has anyone here setup LDAP with Tryton ?
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2011-01-05 05:43 <pheller> Hydrant: yes, I've connected Tryton to LDAP
2011-01-05 05:43 <pheller> Hydrant: specifically, to Windows AD.
2011-01-05 05:44 <Hydrant> I have it binding now... what I'm not sure is how to get Tryton to use the usernames / groups inside LDAP
2011-01-05 05:47 <pheller> Hydrant: it's been awhile since I've done it, though as I recall, you must still create the username within Tryton. LDAP is only used for external authentication.
2011-01-05 05:47 <pheller> Hydrant: and to allow for a central point where accounts are disabled. As for groups, I don't believe there is any integration there yet.
2011-01-05 05:47 <pheller> Hydrant: though again, I've only done a cursory test to ensure that users can login.
2011-01-05 05:47 <Hydrant> hrrm... I was hoping to be able to share authentication with all the other apps
2011-01-05 05:48 <Hydrant> I have too many programs that all want usernames/passwords, and was hoping they could all get along :-)
2011-01-05 05:48 <pheller> Hydrant: no problem sharing authentication -- that works fine. It is only account provisioning that will still be a manual process.
2011-01-05 05:49 <Hydrant> right, but I already have the accounts created and existing...
2011-01-05 05:49 <pheller> Hydrant: yes, it's a pain to also create them in Tryton -- but at least the user can change their password in one place and it will apply to everything, including tryton....
2011-01-05 05:50 <Hydrant> I might be misunderstanding what you mean by create them
2011-01-05 05:50 <Hydrant> Tryton wants to write to the LDAP directory ?
2011-01-05 05:50 <Hydrant> or I just am creating them for the DBMS in Tryton
2011-01-05 05:50 <pheller> Hydrant: you must still define the user in Tryton and give him/her some groups. But, the authentication will be done against LDAP
2011-01-05 05:50 <pheller> no, Tryton just wants to read from LDAP
2011-01-05 05:51 <Hydrant> okay I'll try it
2011-01-05 05:51 <pheller> so, point tryton to LDAP, create user in both LDAP and Tryton. if user changes password in ldap, then that is the new password for them in tryton as well.
2011-01-05 05:51 <pheller> disable user in ldap, they should not be able to login to tryton anymore.
2011-01-05 05:52 <pheller> at least this is how I recall it from my cursory test some months ago :-)
2011-01-05 05:52 <Hydrant> hrrm, yes that did work!
2011-01-05 05:53 <Hydrant> now... does all the other stuff get populated from LDAP... like email....
2011-01-05 05:53 <pheller> I didn't test everything, but I would suspect doubtful.
2011-01-05 05:53 <pheller> If you want more things integrated, open a feature request.....
2011-01-05 05:54 <Hydrant> I can also just check the code
2011-01-05 05:54 <pheller> Sure.... if you're comfortable. You're also welcome to give a shot at adding the features and submit the code for review and possible inclusion.
2011-01-05 05:55 <pheller> Ok, time for me to sleep. spent too much time working on the URL handling for the MacOS client tonight. My eyes hurt!
2011-01-05 05:55 <Hydrant> thx!
2011-01-05 05:55 <pheller> Not a problem. Have a nice evening.
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2011-01-05 06:03 <Hydrant> anyone know how to get rid of all the VAT fields ?
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2011-01-05 12:35 <Vladimirek> What IDE do you use for python/xml ?
2011-01-05 12:41 <cedk> Vladimirek: vim
2011-01-05 12:42 <udono> Vladimirek: aso vim
2011-01-05 12:42 <udono> *also
2011-01-05 12:55 <jcm> cedk: is it easy to get invoices as pdf instead of read-only odt ? is there a pdf templating system in tryton or would it require an openoffice export into pdf ?
2011-01-05 13:13 <bechamel> jcm: you can convert odt to pdf sevrer side, by choosing it on the report form
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2011-01-05 13:16 <bechamel> jcm: via Administration> User Interface > actions > Report
2011-01-05 14:22 <jcm> bechamel: should I change odt to pdf in invoice report only? Makes a bug when viewing: URL seems to be an unsupported one.
2011-01-05 14:49 <udono> jcm: take a look at in the wiki and issue tracker you will find some dependencies you need to take care of.
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2011-01-05 15:45 <hoRn> happy new year
2011-01-05 15:48 <udono> hoRn: thanks, happy New Year, back
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2011-01-05 16:09 <Hydrant> hey everyone... I have Tryton setup nicely, and working with LDAP.... I'm not sure if user details like email addresses are populated via LDAP also
2011-01-05 16:11 <cedk> Hydrant: no only name and login
2011-01-05 16:11 <Hydrant> it's too bad
2011-01-05 16:11 <Hydrant> I was also hoping that Tryton groups might be populated from LDAP
2011-01-05 16:14 <cedk> Hydrant: it is not possible by default to know where is the email address
2011-01-05 16:15 <Hydrant> you mean from LDAP ?
2011-01-05 16:16 <cedk> Hydrant: yes
2011-01-05 16:16 <paepke> Hydrant its not a big deal to write an additional module to match other fields from ldap to tryton.
2011-01-05 16:17 <Hydrant> I'm pretty sure it is... lots of email clients are able to use LDAP address books... I don't know the particular object type, but don't you just have to populate your users with the right object type for that to work ?
2011-01-05 16:18 <Hydrant> paepke: that's good to know, I looked a little bit at the source yesterday
2011-01-05 16:18 <paepke> Hydrant, i've done that for testing in 1.4. havent migrated it into 1.6 or even 1.8
2011-01-05 16:19 <cedk> Hydrant: email clients ask for which attribute store the email
2011-01-05 16:19 <paepke> Hydrant, you have to request the right values from ldap and insert it into the generated user object.
2011-01-05 16:20 <Hydrant> can Tryton currently export also the "Party" data to LDAP for a centralized address book in the company? Or perhaps read that data from there?
2011-01-05 16:20 <Hydrant> what I would love to have... is all these tools sharing contact information rather than several islands
2011-01-05 16:21 <paepke> Hydrant, tryton can currently only export via carddav, a sort of webdav. iphone and thunderbird understands that.
2011-01-05 16:21 <paepke> Hydrant, export in the meaning of directly accessible via a client.
2011-01-05 16:21 <Hydrant> right
2011-01-05 16:22 <Hydrant> I had read that LDAP supposedly can show some data as if it is part of the directory, but really it's populated via a DBMS
2011-01-05 16:22 <Hydrant> this is potentially something that can be done
2011-01-05 16:23 <paepke> Hydrant, there are several ways to get it working. ldap is designed to be spanned over several servers. like having a central entry-point and directing some parts of the ldap-tree to other servers.
2011-01-05 16:24 <paepke> Hydrant, there is already a wiki page where we discussed some ideas
2011-01-05 16:24 <Hydrant> paepke: yes, I've read that last night
2011-01-05 16:25 <Hydrant> but only the parts on authentication... I didn't realize some of these issues were discussed there also
2011-01-05 16:27 <Hydrant> I think the "solution" here is not to try to have Tryton export it's own LDAP interface
2011-01-05 16:27 <paepke> in my eyes its a big point. but unless some of my customers wants this actually i wont implement it.
2011-01-05 16:27 <Hydrant> instead... have something like ou=party,ou=tryton,dc=example,dc=com or something like that
2011-01-05 16:28 <Hydrant> but have that sub-tree populated via the Tryton database
2011-01-05 16:28 <Hydrant> this might hit the database too much, I don't know
2011-01-05 16:28 <paepke> Hydrant, you can do some caching somewhere if you have concerns with performance.
2011-01-05 16:28 <paepke> Hydrant, even in tryton.
2011-01-05 16:29 <Hydrant> right... or have the data updated infrequently
2011-01-05 16:29 <Hydrant> my main concern right now is the amount of data that will be shared between SugarCRM and Tryton
2011-01-05 16:29 <Hydrant> certainly the party information will be shared
2011-01-05 16:30 <Hydrant> and users are going to want to be able to just email parties directly via their own mail clients.... not by looking up an email in Tryton or whatever
2011-01-05 16:30 <paepke> Hydrant, I'm not a fan of cloning data to other servers. in my eyes tryton (or an service which access the tryton database) have to export a ldap-subtree.
2011-01-05 16:30 <Hydrant> this is likely not such a hard thing to actually implement so long as Tryton is fairly well designed
2011-01-05 16:31 <Hydrant> it might actually be so simple as a few database queries written on the LDAP side, I don't know
2011-01-05 16:31 <paepke> Hydrant, it is fairly well designed ;-)
2011-01-05 16:31 <paepke> Hydrant, its a bad design to access the database directly.
2011-01-05 16:32 <Hydrant> right
2011-01-05 16:32 <Hydrant> it might be better to actually just have Tryton load its party data from LDAP
2011-01-05 16:32 <paepke> Hydrant, there is already a python lib which wraps the tryton stuff. Its called proteus. That would be the perfect starting point if you want to write an own small ldap-access script.
2011-01-05 16:33 <paepke> Hydrant, its totally specific to the company from where you get your main data.
2011-01-05 16:33 <Hydrant> keep the addresses and contact data in LDAP.... and force all the tools to get the data from there for most party stuff
2011-01-05 16:33 <Hydrant> yah
2011-01-05 16:33 <paepke> Hydrant, some guys think the ERP has to be tha master of all data. and everythin has to be federated from there
2011-01-05 16:34 <Hydrant> yes, I worked at a company where that was the case... mostly for historical reasons
2011-01-05 16:34 <Hydrant> for myself, I view my company as a collection of services that should integrate
2011-01-05 16:34 <Hydrant> I'm not going to use Tryton for project management, Redmine does a very good job of that for us... but I do want the two to understand each other for accounting purposes
2011-01-05 16:35 <Hydrant> SugarCRM is likely better suited to sales leads, but I want to be able to generate an invoice or contract in Tryton with some ease once the sale is closed
2011-01-05 16:35 <Hydrant> and so on... there are lots of tools
2011-01-05 16:36 <Hydrant> right now I realize I don't have a huge amount of time to spend integrating the tools, and probably never will myself... but if my company grows it is my intention to hire someone full time to work on the various open-source projects that run my company
2011-01-05 16:37 <paepke> Hydrant, yes, would be cool to export the project times into tryton.
2011-01-05 16:37 <Hydrant> I'm not sure how tryton abstracts its data sources
2011-01-05 16:37 <paepke> i'm using redmine, too. until i find some better tool...
2011-01-05 16:38 <paepke> tryton has its own orm.
2011-01-05 16:38 <Hydrant> part of the issue is that the data needs to be able to come from various places... the party data might come from LDAP... project data via SOAP... and so on
2011-01-05 16:38 <paepke> Hydrant, there are several ways to access the data. via xmlrpc, json or at a higher python level vial proteus.
2011-01-05 16:39 <Hydrant> that's a good thing
2011-01-05 16:39 <Hydrant> and Python also will be pretty nice for this kinda thing
2011-01-05 16:39 <paepke> Hydrant, tryton can manage multiple sources. but you know. someone has to be the boss when for example generating a customer number
2011-01-05 16:39 <Hydrant> right
2011-01-05 16:41 <Hydrant> paepke: is there something you don't like about redmine ?
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2011-01-05 16:42 <cedk> Hydrant: the main issue when you split the data sets, is to maintain the data integrity
2011-01-05 16:43 <Hydrant> cedk: right, in some ways there is likely a missing piece that all programs need to interoperate with that will act as the main reservoir and keeper of data
2011-01-05 16:43 <Hydrant> like a DBMS but more flexible, a kinda information router / gateway
2011-01-05 16:44 <Hydrant> ACTION likes to dream of cool ways to integrate data sources
2011-01-05 16:45 <paepke> Hydrant, the most annoying thing is the limitation of having only one repository per project. i don't like to have a lot subprojects which only holds the sources.
2011-01-05 16:47 <cedk> Hydrant: for me it is a DBMS
2011-01-05 16:48 <Hydrant> cedk: yes, I worked at a company where it was the DBMS also... but there were issues over time... I forget what they all were
2011-01-05 16:49 <Hydrant> is there an ER-diagram for Tryton ?
2011-01-05 16:51 <cedk> Hydrant: there is a report in Administration>Models>Modes
2011-01-05 16:52 <Hydrant> I don't see a Models->Modes
2011-01-05 16:53 <cedk> Hydrant: Administration>Models>Models
2011-01-05 16:53 <paepke> Models->Models
2011-01-05 16:53 <Hydrant> thx
2011-01-05 16:54 <Hydrant> any way to get it for the whole thing ?
2011-01-05 16:54 <cedk> Hydrant: no, it depends of the modules installe
2011-01-05 16:55 <pheller> cedk: did you see my email about the URL handler in Mac OS ? :-) :-) :-)
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2011-01-05 16:56 <Hydrant> hrrm
2011-01-05 16:57 <cedk> pheller: yes
2011-01-05 16:57 <cedk> pheller: looks promizing
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2011-01-05 16:58 <Hydrant> have any of you seem applications that work entirely with metadata? In particular, the application data and forms are completely flexible at runtime...
2011-01-05 16:59 <cedk> pheller: if you want we can review the patch before you send it to gtk+
2011-01-05 16:59 <Hydrant> I worked for a company that uses this at one point
2011-01-05 17:00 <Hydrant> that looks like marketing speak though
2011-01-05 17:00 <pheller> cedk: sure, that's probably a good idea. I'll keep working on solving the last few bits over the next days and submit a code review for the gtk-osx piece on the weekend.
2011-01-05 17:06 <cedk> Hydrant: difficult to know what it is
2011-01-05 17:07 <Hydrant> cedk: I know, I'm trying to find some non-marketecture
2011-01-05 17:07 <Hydrant> basically.. as I understand it, the database just maintains tables that describe the data and relationships so that the schema can be changed easily
2011-01-05 17:09 <cedk> Hydrant:
2011-01-05 17:09 <cedk> Hydrant: generally this kind of system become slow
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2011-01-05 17:13 <hoRn> hi
2011-01-05 17:13 <hoRn> is there an attribute for sizing a wizard?
2011-01-05 17:24 <cedk> hoRn: no but the client can remember the size
2011-01-05 17:26 <hoRn> ok
2011-01-05 17:32 <cedk> hoRn: it is in "Options>Form>Save Width/Height"
2011-01-05 17:33 <hoRn> cedk: ok - i got it
2011-01-05 17:35 <hoRn> cedk: now i'm thinking about a solution to add the possibility to add a kind of stop watch to the module timesheet
2011-01-05 17:37 <cedk> hoRn: don't understand
2011-01-05 17:40 <hoRn> cedk: the employee should select a work and click "Start" - when he finishes the job, he clicks a "Finished"-Button. Easyclicking fpr employees ;)
2011-01-05 17:42 <hoRn> cedk: assisted by a barcodescanner: click-scan-click-solution
2011-01-05 17:42 <hoRn> or better: scan-scan-solution. a click is to much for many people
2011-01-05 17:44 <cedk> hoRn: it is more attendance than timesheet
2011-01-05 17:50 <hoRn> cedk: both - we want to measure the time needed for projects. now i need a small solution to add timesheet.lines to a work
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2011-01-05 19:23 <Hydrant_> I'm trying to setup a budget for my company... is there a particular way to do this in Tryton ? Right now I just have an excel sheet... or is this something that doesnt' belong in the ERP
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2011-01-05 20:03 <Hydrant_> how do I expense things to projects? Do I create an account that is somehow associated with the projecT?
2011-01-05 20:07 <hoRn> Hydrant: do you mean that a project generates costs?
2011-01-05 20:07 <Hydrant_> yes
2011-01-05 20:07 <Hydrant_> I need to buy things for a project, and I want to expense it to a project
2011-01-05 20:07 <Hydrant_> same with time spent on it and such
2011-01-05 20:07 <Hydrant_> ACTION has very little accounting knowledge and is trying to figur eout Tryton and basic accounting
2011-01-05 20:08 <hoRn> i'm working still on this ;)
2011-01-05 20:08 <Hydrant_> as in programming it, or figuring it out ?
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2011-01-05 20:09 <hoRn> for now you can apply hourly_costs for an employee - so you have a amount of the costs of the project
2011-01-05 20:10 <Hydrant_> in my situation, I recently completed a contract and got paid... but had to buy a few things to deliver on it
2011-01-05 20:10 <hoRn> ok
2011-01-05 20:10 <Hydrant_> should I just create a separate account for each project, and charge to it ?
2011-01-05 20:11 <Hydrant_> I'm not concerned with the human expense yet, just tracking equipment and other services that are purchased
2011-01-05 20:12 <hoRn> i think there isn't a 'balance' per project
2011-01-05 20:13 <hoRn> i'm more a programmer - but i think you can do something similar with analytic account
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2011-01-05 20:20 <Hydrant_> talking to a friend, they suggested we use a "memo account" which will let us track costs without affecting financial statements
2011-01-05 20:20 <Hydrant_> is there such a thing in Tryton ?
2011-01-05 20:25 <hoRn> Hydrant: analytic_account?
2011-01-05 20:26 <Hydrant_> let me look at that
2011-01-05 20:26 <Hydrant_> thanks for bearing with me... I'm a complete n00b at this...
2011-01-05 20:26 <hoRn> me too ;)
2011-01-05 20:27 <cedk> Hydrant_: I really think that you are looking for analytic account
2011-01-05 20:28 <Hydrant_> cedk: how do I create one?
2011-01-05 20:28 <Hydrant_> okay, chart of analytic accounts
2011-01-05 20:29 <Hydrant_> Tryton can use some more tool-tips I think
2011-01-05 20:29 <hoRn> if cedk confirms me, i'm right!
2011-01-05 20:29 <Hydrant_> like "what is a root account" as soon as I open up creating an analytic account
2011-01-05 20:30 <Hydrant_> I have a lot of accounting intimidation to overcome, and I think making Tryton a bit more comforable to work with will go a long way
2011-01-05 20:30 <Hydrant_> oh, I guess subaccounts... so project root... subproject and such
2011-01-05 20:30 <cedk> Hydrant_: yes if you want
2011-01-05 20:30 <cedk> Hydrant_: there is no rules to create analytic account, you do as you want
2011-01-05 20:32 <Hydrant_> okay.. so I have to supply a root and parent... but creating a root/parent requires me to have a root/parent ?
2011-01-05 20:33 <cedk> Hydrant_: create first a root account
2011-01-05 20:34 <Hydrant_> how can I do that ? It seems creating any analytic account requires one to already exist
2011-01-05 20:35 <Hydrant_> oh, type root
2011-01-05 20:35 <Hydrant_> nm
2011-01-05 20:35 <Hydrant_> there are some mysteries even here... what does the "mandatory" checkbox mean?
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2011-01-05 20:36 <cedk> Hydrant_: it means the this analytic account should be filled in every accounting documenent
2011-01-05 20:39 <plantian> Hi, when I download a patch on codereview what is the best way to apply it? Doing patch -i patchset.diff does not seem to be able to find the files in the diff. Should I use additional options?
2011-01-05 20:40 <cedk> plantian: I think you must use -p1
2011-01-05 20:42 <plantian> cedk: You are right thanks, I tried a -p 4 up to 9 I guess it was just the prefixed slash.
2011-01-05 20:49 <Hydrant_> what is the difference between payable/receivable and expense/revenue ?
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2011-01-05 20:51 <cedk> Hydrant_: payable/receivable it is what you must paid or receive from others
2011-01-05 20:51 <cedk> Hydrant_: expense/revenue it is what you spent or earn
2011-01-05 20:52 <Hydrant_> okay.... so like a banking account
2011-01-05 20:52 <Hydrant_> my understanding is that I'd have an account for say: shipping fees
2011-01-05 20:52 <Hydrant_> and when I spend money to ship something, I credit (or debit?) from that account to be able to track my shipping expenses
2011-01-05 20:52 <Hydrant_> is that right ?
2011-01-05 20:54 <cedk> Hydrant_: yes and also credit an account payable because you must pay someone
2011-01-05 20:54 <Hydrant_> okay... thanks for helping with what are likely very simple questions
2011-01-05 20:54 <Hydrant_> I'm building my chart of accounts now
2011-01-05 20:55 <Hydrant_> the account payable/receivable will literally just be a bank account right ?
2011-01-05 20:55 <Hydrant_> or would I use it for other things too ?
2011-01-05 20:56 <cedk> Hydrant_: not really, because you should have account that represents the account in bank
2011-01-05 20:57 <cedk> Hydrant_: because account in bank is like a the bank owe money
2011-01-05 20:57 <cedk> ACTION bbl
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2011-01-05 20:58 <hoRn> cedk: little question in between - my admin account looses always the company - is this a feature or a broken local installation?
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2011-01-05 21:05 <Hydrant_> where can I download charts of accounts? I remember there being a list of them online somewhere at one point but can't find it
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2011-01-05 21:38 <cedk> hoRn: this is strange
2011-01-05 21:39 <cedk> Hydrant_: I don't know I guess it depends of your country
2011-01-05 21:47 <sisalp> hello,
2011-01-05 21:47 <sisalp> back on a question from jcm this afternoon
2011-01-05 21:47 <sisalp> about pdf reports.
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> This is the traceback I get :
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> File "/trytond/modules/company/", line 289, in parse
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> localcontext=localcontext)
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> File "/trytond/report/", line 242, in parse
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> data = self.convert_pdf(data)
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> File "/trytond/report/", line 277, in convert_pdf
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> doc = desktop.openFile(odt_name, hidden=False)
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> File "/openoffice/", line 150, in openFile
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> return self.openURL(url, **kw)
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> File "/openoffice/", line 144, in openURL
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> return self._desktop.loadComponentFromURL(url, target, 0, properties)
2011-01-05 21:48 <sisalp> URL seems to be an unsupported one.
2011-01-05 21:49 <sisalp> odono suggested about a missing dependency
2011-01-05 21:49 <sisalp> sorry udono ;-)
2011-01-05 21:49 <sisalp> any idea what to check ?
2011-01-05 21:53 <sisalp> I installed dependencies I found in apt-get -s install tryton-server
2011-01-05 21:53 <sisalp> then I 'm running trytond from sources
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2011-01-05 22:08 <udono> sisalp: check the issuetracker of there are some dependencies for debian listed
2011-01-05 22:08 <udono> openoffice dependencies
2011-01-05 22:08 <sisalp> Thank you I go and read there
2011-01-05 22:09 <sisalp> why openoffice dependencies did not installed ?
2011-01-05 22:09 <cedk> sisalp:
2011-01-05 22:09 <udono> ACTION afk
2011-01-05 22:12 <cedk> sisalp: it must be in the deps of openoffice-python
2011-01-05 22:13 <sisalp> installing and ...
2011-01-05 22:13 <sisalp> It's ubuntu lts 10.04 minimal
2011-01-05 22:13 <cedk> sisalp: how did you install openoffice-python ?
2011-01-05 22:15 <sisalp> this way :
2011-01-05 22:15 <sisalp> apt-get install ca-certificates defoma dictionaries-common fontconfig fontconfig-config graphviz hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us iso-codes libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libcairo2 libcups2 libcurl3-gnutls libdatrie1 libdirectfb-1.2-0 libexpat1 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libgd2-noxpm libgdbm3 libgmp3c2 libgraphite3 libgraphviz4 libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-
2011-01-05 22:17 <cedk> sisalp: I don't see openoffice-python
2011-01-05 22:18 <sisalp> ;-) I guess I messed it with python-openoffice
2011-01-05 22:19 <sisalp> E: Couldn't find package openoffice-python
2011-01-05 22:21 <cedk> sisalp: I don't know the name of the package on Debian
2011-01-05 22:22 <cedk> sisalp:
2011-01-05 22:27 <sisalp> I'll check this point, nevertheless, installing draw and writer did the job and I got the pdf after restarting trytond
2011-01-05 22:28 <sisalp> by the way kill -9 on trytond did not free the net-rpc port
2011-01-05 22:30 <sisalp> looks like python-openoffice and openoffice-python are the same
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2011-01-05 22:37 <sisalp> Thank you very much for your help, I'll add draw and writer to my lllloooonnnngggg dependency list ;-)
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2011-01-05 23:08 <cedk> sisalp: I think it is normal with kill -9
2011-01-05 23:09 <sisalp> how do you stop it ?
2011-01-05 23:09 <cedk> sisalp: just kill
2011-01-05 23:10 <cedk> sisalp: which is kill -2
2011-01-05 23:10 <cedk> sisalp: by the way, kill -9 here allow to reuse the port
2011-01-05 23:11 <sisalp> yes it works, I use kill -2 from now
2011-01-05 23:12 <sisalp> iirc, kill -9 is mandatory with some versions of openerp, therefore i used to
2011-01-05 23:13 <Hydrant_> I spent some time investigating CRM today
2011-01-05 23:13 <Hydrant_> initially I wanted to go with SugarCRM... but apparently its licensing is rather deceptive and sleazy
2011-01-05 23:14 <Hydrant_> open source, with no features
2011-01-05 23:14 <Hydrant_> so... looking at Tryton now to see how suitable a substitute it could be
2011-01-05 23:18 <cedk> Hydrant_: CRM is a large concept
2011-01-05 23:18 <cedk> Hydrant_: Tryton doesn't handle every features you could expect
2011-01-05 23:19 <cedk> Hydrant_: you should first define what you need
2011-01-05 23:20 <Hydrant_> for the most part I'm just looking at tracking sales leads, as we visit trade shows, get calls, and so on... and to ensure that everyone is on the same page for prospective sales
2011-01-05 23:21 <cedk> Hydrant_: so the sale_opportunity module could be a good starting point
2011-01-05 23:22 <Hydrant_> yes, I've been exploring it
2011-01-05 23:22 <Hydrant_> and thinking on how to put together other services to get what I want... i.e. Alfresco for managing exchanged documents and records
2011-01-05 23:23 <Hydrant_> the advantage of having leads in Tryton is to maintain a single source for all party contacts, and also to be able to take a lead to generate a real sale, and manage through the rest of the process
2011-01-05 23:24 <cedk> Hydrant_: yes of course
2011-01-05 23:25 <cedk> yangoon, dba: do you plan to package proteus for Debian?
2011-01-05 23:25 <Hydrant_> when I look at sales though... it asks for a warehouse... but I'm not shipping physical goods... at least not yet
2011-01-05 23:25 <Hydrant_> wha does that warehouse correspond to for me ?
2011-01-05 23:27 <cedk> Hydrant_: we should improve the field to be only required when stockable product are sale
2011-01-05 23:27 <cedk> Hydrant_: so you can just ignore it and let the default warehouse
2011-01-05 23:29 <Hydrant_> ok
2011-01-05 23:29 <Hydrant_> so the issue is that Tryton doesn't differentiate products yet then
2011-01-05 23:29 <Hydrant_> ACTION brain is hurting from a day of this stuff
2011-01-05 23:31 <cedk> Hydrant_: it does in most part of the software but not for this field
2011-01-05 23:31 <Hydrant_> okay
2011-01-05 23:31 <cedk> Hydrant_: you could fill an issue on roundup
2011-01-05 23:31 <Hydrant_> okay.
2011-01-05 23:49 <plantian> Is it possible to sort a one2many in a model that inherits from ModelView only? I use it in a wizard but select=1,2 does not seem to do anything. Is the order of creation the only way to sort the relation ?

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