IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2011-02-08 #tryton log beginning Tue Feb 8 00:00:05 CET 2011
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2011-02-08 01:19 <kwmiebach> Hi. When I use proteus with a memory sqlite db, how can I start with a fresh db on each call of the script?
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2011-02-08 09:58 <sisalp> hello all
2011-02-08 09:58 <sisalp> my question : what is a Post Move ? in French mouvement posté ?
2011-02-08 09:59 <sisalp> I need a sequence for it when I create a fiscal year
2011-02-08 10:00 <udono> sisalp: hello, it is the sequence of the validated and posted moves. posted means they are written in the accounting books.
2011-02-08 10:00 <udono> sisalp: a posted move can not be deleted anymore.
2011-02-08 10:00 <cedk> sisalp: in french it is to make "brouillard" accounting
2011-02-08 10:01 <sisalp> thank you, so what is the difference with a journal sequence ?
2011-02-08 10:01 <cedk> sisalp: journal sequence is not strictly followed
2011-02-08 10:01 <cedk> sisalp: as you can remove non-posted move
2011-02-08 10:01 <sisalp> a strict sequence is a mandatory sequence ?
2011-02-08 10:02 <cedk> sisalp: you are speaking about the Model?
2011-02-08 10:02 <sisalp> cedk : brouillard is "unposted moves" ?
2011-02-08 10:03 <sisalp> cedk I have to create sequences for the fiscal year
2011-02-08 10:04 <cedk> sisalp: yes
2011-02-08 10:05 <cedk> sisalp: so a strict sequence compared to a sequence is a slower sequence (for SQL) because it ensure to not have SQL error when getting it
2011-02-08 10:06 <cedk> sisalp: strict sequence basicly makes a lock on the table where sequence doesn't
2011-02-08 10:06 <cedk> which means that simple sequence could fail on concurrent update
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2011-02-08 10:10 <sisalp> cedk in fr: movement posté = écriture validée ?
2011-02-08 10:11 <cedk> sisalp: not sure
2011-02-08 10:11 <cedk> sisalp: I think in France, there is also this concept of posted
2011-02-08 10:12 <cedk> sisalp: but it is not always used
2011-02-08 10:17 <sisalp> ok
2011-02-08 10:19 <cedk> sisalp: I think in many french company "brouillard = posté" and only some makes the difference
2011-02-08 10:21 <sisalp> brouillrd means "draft"
2011-02-08 10:24 <cedk> sisalp: yes on the move
2011-02-08 10:24 <cedk> sisalp: not on the move line
2011-02-08 10:32 <yangoon> cedk JFTR I don't agree with changing language lables again in contrast to what was agreed some time ago
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2011-02-08 11:03 <cedk> yangoon: but it is like in Tryton client when you create a new database
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2011-02-08 11:14 <hoRn> cedk: Hi and ping
2011-02-08 11:15 <cedk> hoRn: pong
2011-02-08 11:18 <hoRn> little problem: analytic_accounts_fields_get sets the analytic_account required, if root is mandatory. if the type of the line !='line' the field is required, but invisible. so it's impossible to add a headline for example
2011-02-08 11:20 <hoRn> i try to write a patch - but I'm not sure where is the best place to set the states - in analytic_accounts_fields_get the 'states' are already done
2011-02-08 11:22 <yangoon> cedk: we had this discussion already at length, you are comparing the wrong situation
2011-02-08 11:23 <yangoon> cedk: it is as in the client when the user choses the language of a party
2011-02-08 11:23 <yangoon> don't present foreign strings to a user that is in his local context
2011-02-08 11:25 <sisalp> what is the diff between print workflow complex and print workflow ? I get the same image
2011-02-08 11:26 <cedk> hoRn: could you point to the code line
2011-02-08 11:27 <cedk> yangoon: I don't find because if you click on the links you get a page in this language
2011-02-08 11:27 <cedk> sisalp: complex will display subflow
2011-02-08 11:27 <yangoon> cedk: yes, we can repeat the whole discussion we had some year ago
2011-02-08 11:27 <cedk> sisalp: but we don't use subflow in base module
2011-02-08 11:28 <yangoon> cedk: it is the decision of the user, if he wants to see foreign languages
2011-02-08 11:28 <sisalp> i tried on a sale order, and got the same
2011-02-08 11:28 <cedk> yangoon: the website was splitted into both solution, I just made the same every where
2011-02-08 11:28 <yangoon> but give him basicalyy the information he is most able to understand
2011-02-08 11:29 <cedk> sisalp: yes we don't use subflow because it is not enough powerful to manage your design
2011-02-08 11:30 <cedk> sisalp: we inherit subflow from OpenERP, we never got a case where to use it
2011-02-08 11:30 <sisalp> ok
2011-02-08 11:30 <cedk> sisalp: so the prints are the same for every workflow of Tryton
2011-02-08 11:31 <sisalp> so you get replicated parts of workflows ?
2011-02-08 11:31 <cedk> sisalp: subflow is a simplistic design
2011-02-08 11:31 <sisalp> or everybody uses the same wf ?
2011-02-08 11:31 <yangoon> cedk: you just forget about agreements that were taken long time ago
2011-02-08 11:31 <yangoon> cedk: btw you could also change it the oher way round;)
2011-02-08 11:31 <cedk> yangoon: could you find the log of the agreement
2011-02-08 11:32 <cedk> sisalp: subflow in OpenERP are used like this: sale workflow is connected to invoice workflow
2011-02-08 11:32 <cedk> sisalp: so you see the invoice workflow inside the sale workflow when you print the complex one
2011-02-08 11:33 <yangoon> cedk: you will find it together when we had the initial discussions concerning this subject for the client
2011-02-08 11:34 <cedk> sisalp: but in Tryton we find that this is too simple, we can have many invoices and also cancelled invoices etc.
2011-02-08 11:34 <yangoon> cedk: additionaly you shouldn't probably step into translation if you don't know for sure what you are doing
2011-02-08 11:34 <yangoon> at least for germany the patch is inconsistent
2011-02-08 11:34 <yangoon> besides htat I don't find it acceptable;)
2011-02-08 11:35 <cedk> sisalp: so linked this way the two workflows don't allow this kind of behavior
2011-02-08 11:35 <cedk> yangoon: what is wrong?
2011-02-08 11:37 <yangoon> cedk: 1) the whole change of the language;), 2) for example the german user group on the russian page, so you created even a more inconsistent situation compard to what we had before
2011-02-08 11:41 <cedk> yangoon: look at the language links
2011-02-08 11:44 <sisalp> cedk thank you for this answer.
2011-02-08 11:44 <yangoon> cedk: it is a gimmick, we aren't wikipedia, they remove the chosen language from the selection and 日本語 is really an impressive information
2011-02-08 11:48 <bechamel> IMO we must concider two distinct situation: as a user, when I choose my langage I want to see all langages names translated in their langage (because I may not know that "french" means "français")
2011-02-08 11:49 <yangoon> bechamel exactly, +1
2011-02-08 11:49 <bechamel> but othewise all langage names must but translated in my langage: IE when i add a customer and my langage is "français" i want to see "anglais" instead of "english"
2011-02-08 11:50 <yangoon> again +1, that is what I mean when a user is in his context
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2011-02-08 12:00 <cedk> I find any reference about this topic nor in groups, groups-dev or irclog
2011-02-08 12:02 <cedk> this is the default behavior for English (the source) since
2011-02-08 12:02 <cedk> in fact it is since the begining of the creation of language groups
2011-02-08 12:03 <cedk> so I don't think I broke any rules/agrements
2011-02-08 12:03 <cedk> after that, if everybody want to drop this "feature" then ok
2011-02-08 12:04 <cedk> but I find personnaly that the first behavior was good
2011-02-08 12:07 <yangoon> cedk: if you want to define the english page as sort of entry page it *could be* the desired language selector. for me it is NOT, because you are usually already browsing in english, when you are hitting tab community
2011-02-08 12:08 <bechamel> ACTION just realised that we aren't talking about the gtk client :S
2011-02-08 12:09 <yangoon> the general language selector is on top of the page, and there is not much to translate (besides russian, that could be in kyrillic chars)
2011-02-08 12:10 <cedk> yangoon: what I want to point if that I did not break any rules!
2011-02-08 12:10 <cedk> yangoon: you are the first one to ask to change the current behavior
2011-02-08 12:10 <yangoon> cedk: forget about it, sorry if my words were too harsh
2011-02-08 12:11 <yangoon> cedk: I just don't want to invest more time on this searching old mails etc.
2011-02-08 12:11 <cedk> yangoon: so we can discuss about it but we need more than one person to make the switch
2011-02-08 12:11 <cedk> bechamel: GTK client works like you describe
2011-02-08 12:12 <cedk> yangoon: I made the search on mailing list
2011-02-08 12:12 <cedk> if they was such agrement, we would have modify the website since 1.5 years
2011-02-08 12:13 <bechamel> cedk: let's forget about if it was an agreement or not, the important question is do we want to makes this change or not
2011-02-08 12:14 <cedk> bechamel: I don't want
2011-02-08 12:14 <bechamel> I think it would be consistant with the gtk client :)
2011-02-08 12:14 <cedk> bechamel: it is not the same
2011-02-08 12:14 <yangoon> cedk: it is
2011-02-08 12:14 <cedk> bechamel: if you click on the link "Français" you will get a french page
2011-02-08 12:14 <yangoon> language selector is on top
2011-02-08 12:15 <cedk> bechamel: if you select "French" in party you don't get the form in french
2011-02-08 12:15 <cedk> it is like the database creation
2011-02-08 12:15 <cedk> if you select a language, you will get after that the GUI in this language
2011-02-08 12:17 <bechamel> cedk: .. except the groups on the community page
2011-02-08 12:18 <cedk> bechamel: because it is a selection to a new page wich will be in the selected language
2011-02-08 12:18 <cedk> bechamel: it is like in wikipedia
2011-02-08 12:18 <cedk> bechamel: you selected the language but you can go to an other page in a different language
2011-02-08 12:22 <bechamel> cedk: Q.E.D. :)
2011-02-08 12:23 <bechamel> (
2011-02-08 12:24 <cedk> bechamel: does it mean you agree or not?
2011-02-08 12:26 <bechamel> cedk: yes I agree, because "the langage of the link is in the same langage than the page it points to" is consistant across all the website
2011-02-08 12:27 <cedk> so 2-1 :-)
2011-02-08 12:27 <cedk> anyone else ?
2011-02-08 12:31 <yangoon> it is just wrong: language selector is on top, page content has to be localized
2011-02-08 12:33 <cedk> yangoon: on wikipedia language selector is also on top:
2011-02-08 12:33 <cedk> yangoon: and after that you still have language selection in other languages
2011-02-08 12:34 <yangoon> cedk: in a separate sidebar, yes
2011-02-08 12:34 <yangoon> but not for page content
2011-02-08 12:35 <yangoon> and btw wikipedia is not my bible
2011-02-08 12:35 <bechamel> cedk: yangoon: actualy I agree with both position, because both are consistant, it depends which one we wants to follow so it's more 1.5-1.5 than 2-1 ;)
2011-02-08 12:35 <yangoon> lol
2011-02-08 12:41 <bechamel> to be honest I think it's no big deal
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2011-02-08 13:30 <jcm> hi, how do I create the analytic account root ? I cannot save the first analytic account, tryton asks for a Root and Parent.
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2011-02-08 13:35 <cedk> jcm: create a first account of type root
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2011-02-08 13:55 <jcm> ;-) thks
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2011-02-08 13:57 <jcm> what's the meaning of the 'mandatory' checkbox in root aalytic form?
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2011-02-08 13:59 <cedk> jcm: it means that it will be required to fill an account of this chart in each docuement
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2011-02-08 14:46 <jcm> cedk: ok, ist it true to respell it like this: every invoice must be dispatched within this analytic plan without exception?
2011-02-08 14:49 <cedk> jcm: it is not only the invoice
2011-02-08 14:57 <jcm> is it all movements?
2011-02-08 14:59 <cedk> jcm: no it is based on document that manage it
2011-02-08 15:01 <jcm> sry, where can I read a definition of what is a document in tryton?
2011-02-08 15:02 <cedk> jcm: there is not. It is my vocabulary.
2011-02-08 15:02 <cedk> jcm: for now, it is implemented on sale, purchase and invoice
2011-02-08 15:03 <jcm> ok, it's more clear now
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2011-02-08 16:52 <jcm> the client died (os X); is it useful to send the traceback to anyone?
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2011-02-08 17:08 <cedk> jcm: on the bugtracker
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2011-02-08 17:22 <cedk> sisalp: I did not succeed to connect on tryton server from
2011-02-08 17:42 <jcm> cedk: is there any recommandations on how to name analytic accounts? e.g. should I repeat the code of the parent in an analytic account, like A, A-B, A-B-01?
2011-02-08 17:45 <cedk> jcm: it is like you want
2011-02-08 17:46 <cedk> jcm: there is not process on this code
2011-02-08 18:07 <jcm> in a (future) report, would it be simple to get a long name by concatenation of parents codes?
2011-02-08 18:09 <cedk> jcm: yes it is possible
2011-02-08 18:15 <jcm> I'm asking because I have many projects sharing the same subdivision. So I get many analytic acocunts with same name, same code, the only difference is in the parent. It's not simple to find the right one in the dialogs (search for parent for instance) ; would be simpler if the full path were shown instead of simple name.
2011-02-08 18:16 <jcm> maybe I should put the full path in the name (ie repeat the parents codes in the account code), so everything's right now ;-)
2011-02-08 18:17 <jcm> drawback: if I later insert an account in the tree, all my codes would have to be changed :/
2011-02-08 18:18 <cedk> jcm: for performance, compute a fullpath code is not good
2011-02-08 18:18 <cedk> jcm: and it is complicate to search on this computed field
2011-02-08 18:20 <cedk> jcm: so for sure it is better to have unique code
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2011-02-08 21:02 <cedk> udono: I have updated the dnd-tree repository
2011-02-08 21:03 <cedk> I also created a board-menu repository
2011-02-08 21:03 <cedk> which replace the current view_tree menu
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