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| 2011-03-29 07:58 <svaksha> has anyone installed tryton in a virtualenv wrapper environment | ||
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| 2011-03-29 08:05 <plantian> svaksha: Yes, but for development. | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:08 <svaksha> plantian: yes, same here. I've got virtualenv setup but i'm unsure about whether i have to reinstall tryton via virtualenv, or not. | ||
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| 2011-03-29 08:08 <svaksha> Is there any documentation i can readup | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:09 <plantian> svaksha: Have you read over this -- http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationMercurial ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:11 <svaksha> plantian: thanks for the link. | ||
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| 2011-03-29 08:19 <plantian> I run "python setup.py develop" for trytond within the VE but not for the modules. | ||
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| 2011-03-29 08:27 <svaksha> why not for the modules? | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:29 <svaksha> are modules not supposed to be developed under VE? | ||
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| 2011-03-29 08:30 <plantian> svaksha: I think trytond is able to find them and import them itself. | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:31 <plantian> When you pull repo with hgnested the come in as a subdirectory of trytond. | ||
| 2011-03-29 08:34 <svaksha> oh, that explains it :) | ||
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| 2011-03-29 11:08 <sisalp> hi, looking for account_fr, any pointer ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:09 <cedk> sisalp: http://codereview.appspot.com/3973049/ | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:09 <sisalp> meurci biociou cedk | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:15 <sisalp> any hg-friendly repository ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:16 <cedk> sisalp: not yet, I'm waiting for some more reviews | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:16 <cedk> sisalp: but you can use: hg import --no-commit http://codereview.appspot.com/download/issue3973049_3001.diff | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:17 <sisalp> hg import --no-commit http://codereview.appspot.com/download/issue3973049_3001.diff | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:17 <sisalp> abandon : There is no Mercurial repository here (.hg not found) ! | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:18 <cedk> sisalp: yes create an empty hg repo first | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:21 <sisalp> ok got them manually, not so many ;-) | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:28 <sisalp> are localized account modules supposed to include official reports ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:31 <sisalp> by the way official reports are modified every year | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:34 <cedk> sisalp: why not but it is a shame to modify it every year | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:35 <cedk> sisalp: I think I need to see it to see how to handle it | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:35 <sisalp> it cannot be different | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:35 <sisalp> it means that y2010 must be printed with format 2010 and y2011 with format 2011 | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:36 <cedk> sisalp: why does France behave like that, they need to give work to IT ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:36 <sisalp> official templates are downloadable from the administration | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:37 <sisalp> it is the same everywhere I guess | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:37 <cedk> sisalp: in Belgium, reports change only when something new happens | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:37 <cedk> sisalp: the VAT report did not change at least during 10 years | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:37 <sisalp> in France a new law or European directive happens every year that's it | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:38 <sisalp> European law about VAT changed a lot during past ten years, how this can be ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:39 <cedk> sisalp: the law is different then the report | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:39 <sisalp> he report implements the law | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:40 <cedk> sisalp: it is not because this kind of product has a different rate that the report should change | ||
| 2011-03-29 11:40 <cedk> sisalp: have you some example of reports for different years? | ||
| 2011-03-29 12:14 <sisalp> I checked tva annual recap, and it looks pretty stable indeed | ||
| 2011-03-29 12:14 <sisalp> nevertheless it includes the date :-( | ||
| 2011-03-29 12:14 <sisalp> http://www.impots.gouv.fr/portal/deploiement/p1/fichedescriptiveformulaire_6642/fichedescriptiveformulaire_6642.pdf | ||
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| 2011-03-29 12:23 <sisalp> for 2010 : http://www.impots.gouv.fr/portal/deploiement/p1/fichedescriptiveformulaire_5759/fichedescriptiveformulaire_5759.pdf | ||
| 2011-03-29 12:30 <sisalp> descriptions change between 2010 and 2011 (page 3-4E for ex) but field code doen't | ||
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| 2011-03-29 14:00 <cedk> sisalp: I guess the layout doesn't change often | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:00 <cedk> sisalp: so you can imagine to create a report that just fill the field and print it on the template | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:01 <sisalp> cedk: it changes in the examples I gave | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:01 <sisalp> cedk: The right way would be to fill it a form, wouldn't it ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:02 <sisalp> as a form | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:05 <cedk> sisalp: I don't understand | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:05 <sisalp> cedk: what don't you understand ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:06 <cedk> sisalp: "fill it a form" | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:07 <sisalp> these pdf embed forms which should be filled by the program | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:07 <sisalp> I don't remember the name of the format of answers to fill a pdf form | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:08 <cedk> sisalp: oh oh my pdf reader doesn't show any thing :-) | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:08 <sisalp> you need acrobat or an advanced one indeed | ||
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| 2011-03-29 14:10 <sisalp> xpdf is ok | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:11 <sisalp> evince too | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:13 <cedk> sisalp: I use epdfview :-) | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:13 <sisalp> this is a pointer jcm provided me : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1890570/how-can-i-auto-populate-a-pdf-form-in-django-python | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:15 <sisalp> fdf is the name, pdftk is the product | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:15 <cedk> sisalp: looks good | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:16 <cedk> sisalp: I think the module could have a wizard for the report that ask for the template | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:16 <cedk> sisalp: with the hope that France doesn't change the field name every year ;-) | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:18 <sisalp> cedk: a per year module publication can be done too , to embed or download templates from a repository | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:19 <sisalp> fields changed last year regarding annual documents. | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:19 <sisalp> It would be better to get a field descriptor (meta-data) along with each document | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:19 <cedk> sisalp: but it will require an update of the database which is prohibited in series release | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:20 <sisalp> ?? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:20 <cedk> sisalp: if you want to update each year the report, you will need to update the database | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:21 <cedk> sisalp: but it is perhaps possible to manage it in pure Python | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:21 <cedk> sisalp: but this design link user to the publication of an update of the module | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:22 <sisalp> couldn't it be kept outside the database ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:22 <cedk> I would prefer that the user is able to process new report by it self | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:23 <sisalp> let's say he got 1.8, woldn't an update of 1.8 complement his trytond every year ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:25 <sisalp> I guess we say the same | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:25 <cedk> sisalp: yes but it doesn't make user really free :-) | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:26 <sisalp> free from what ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:26 <cedk> sisalp: if he must wait for update of the module | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:26 <cedk> sisalp: if he is able to add his own template pdf, this will make less release for devs, freedom to update or not for the user | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:26 <sisalp> or he can integrate the new pdf and meta-data in his existing module, can't he ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:28 <sisalp> or we get modules fr_2010, fr_2011, ... which contain the relevant docs and he can install the years he needs | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:28 <cedk> sisalp: yes but this mean, we need to publish each year a module for every series maintained etc. | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:28 <cedk> sisalp: now it is 4 series | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:29 <cedk> sisalp: I think we need to collect pdf for some past years and analyse the changes | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:30 <sisalp> how can we keep in synch with administration without an annual release ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:30 <cedk> sisalp: and see how we can make it generic and workable without the need to update the code | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:31 <sisalp> even if it works for past years, we'll never know if it will pass the next year | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:38 <sisalp> cedk: thinking about this : wouldn't pdf forms be a new popular way of making reports for any purpose in tryton ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:39 <cedk> sisalp: why not | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:40 <cedk> sisalp: I think we can make something generic enough to work for almost case and those that will not be supported then it will be because the tax reporting has been completly changed | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:40 <sisalp> I never generated a form with openoffice, but seems possible. Then only fdf values seems to be formated | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:41 <cedk> sisalp: it is possible but only for page fix reports | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:41 <sisalp> with opene-office ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:41 <sisalp> open | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:42 <cedk> sisalp: ??? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:42 <sisalp> I mean openoffice proposes to create a pdf form document, so why pages shoud be fixed ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:43 <sisalp> I think I understand "no iteration" is it ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:44 <cedk> sisalp: if the template is a pdf form then there will be no iteration | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:45 <cedk> sisalp: the fdf lib just append the value of each field in the pdf file | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:46 <sisalp> do you mean fdf is not able to fill cells of arrays ? or tryton won't be able to ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:48 <sisalp> of course we shouldn't invent here, if fdf is limited, we will be limited too | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:48 <cedk> sisalp: I think it is only key-value replacement from the code I see | ||
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| 2011-03-29 14:55 <sisalp> cedk: this will limitate interest to this kind of administrative form. It is ok for official documents since format is static per definition. so I understanf page_fix_report | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:57 <sisalp> do other countries have similar pdf documents to fullfill ? Belgium, Germany ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:58 <sisalp> I think it would be usefull for dta/bvr in Switzerland | ||
| 2011-03-29 14:58 <cedk> sisalp: Belgium there was something similar but now it is all e-xxx | ||
| 2011-03-29 15:00 <sisalp> I might check if the same happens here too | ||
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| 2011-03-29 15:39 <predatell> Are there some tutorials for work with workflow and access models ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 16:09 <cedk> predatell: not yet | ||
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| 2011-03-29 16:12 <sharoon> cedk: what about existing issues in codereview.appspot.com ? should they be moved to the tryton codereview ? | ||
| 2011-03-29 16:13 <cedk> sharoon: no otherwise you will lost the history | ||
| 2011-03-29 16:21 <sharoon> cedk: thanks | ||
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