IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2017-02-21 #tryton log beginning Tue Feb 21 00:00:01 CET 2017
2017-02-21 00:02 <alexbodn> ah, i understand you cedk: the sale module is enough to begin with
2017-02-21 00:04 <alexbodn> btw, cedk, the pos is just about a form to enter sales in the flow, relating to the front shop as a warehouse too
2017-02-21 00:05 <cedk> alexbodn: no, a POS should not create sales
2017-02-21 00:06 <alexbodn> cedk: as you see, i'm not familiar with the terminology yet ;)
2017-02-21 00:07 <cedk> alexbodn: POS should not involve shipment and not always invoice
2017-02-21 00:08 <cedk> alexbodn: but sale always involve shipment and invoice
2017-02-21 00:14 <alexbodn> cedk: i aggree about these, so pos should generate a sale, with self-pick shipment surrogate and receipt slip. btw, when are the invoices issued in a retail shop? only as a report?
2017-02-21 00:15 <alexbodn> would you think the sale should not allow this diversity?
2017-02-21 00:16 <cedk> alexbodn: I do not understand, you agree but still say that pos should generate a sale
2017-02-21 00:22 <alexbodn> cedk: indeed, the customer is paying and receiving goods, so this is a sale. though the shipping is normally self-pick, and invoices are not always issued to the customer, but later, as a report. but it is a sale. maybe with different defaults.
2017-02-21 00:26 <alexbodn> i cannot argument based on the sales module, since i am not familiar with tryton already
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2017-02-21 01:08 <alexbodn> cedk: after browsing your link, i can conclude, that it's complicated, but if it can be defined, it can definitely be done!
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2017-02-21 01:10 <theviajerock> Hello people...
2017-02-21 01:12 <alexbodn> hello
2017-02-21 01:28 <alexbodn> cedk: about the pos vs. sale, please understand that i don't know how the workflow is being defined in tryton. yet
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2017-02-21 14:30 <alexbodn> hello pokoli, cedk, friends
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2017-02-21 16:08 <pokoli> alexbodn: hello, how it's going? Have you tested the standard sale workflow?
2017-02-21 16:25 <alexbodn> hello pokoli. i like it very much! and i see you are the last commiter, thanks a lot!
2017-02-21 16:29 <alexbodn> as i've previously understood from you, i should wire the basic company in part of it's modules
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2017-02-21 16:37 <alexbodn> but i have a new question: my interest in tryton grew after i found in nereid many of the ideas i've skimmed in my website sketch. is fulfillio/nereid close in any way to tryton modules, or is it a far away fork? maybe the modules part from nereid* could could be re-based on original modules?
2017-02-21 16:54 <cedk> alexbodn: it is difficult to say because the developers of nereid does not communicate any more with Tryton community
2017-02-21 16:54 <cedk> alexbodn: but you can have similar result by using flask-tryton for example
2017-02-21 16:56 <pokoli> cedk: I won't say they are a fork, but an addon to the standard modules
2017-02-21 16:57 <pokoli> uops, this should be pinging alexbodn and not ced
2017-02-21 16:57 <alexbodn> cedk: indeed i intend to use flask_tryton and proteus as examples on using tryton as an orm for a turbogears site.
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2017-02-21 17:00 <cedk> alexbodn: I suggest you to not use proteus for such usage but look how it is done in flask-tryton
2017-02-21 17:00 <alexbodn> cedk: i simply found they have functionality in the spirit i wanted, and thought about using it, in case it's based on the original, or just inspire from and rebuild mine, otherwise
2017-02-21 17:00 <cedk> alexbodn: which functionalities?
2017-02-21 17:01 <alexbodn> cedk: ok, seen flask_tryton and i like it. just thought proteus is the way to go.
2017-02-21 17:03 <cedk> alexbodn: proteus is a client like tryton and sao
2017-02-21 17:03 <cedk> alexbodn: it is not always good for low level
2017-02-21 17:05 <alexbodn> i like the management of websites, a company owning several sites, product and category catalogs to keep only part of the products on one site/company. that's what i found for the moment.
2017-02-21 17:06 <alexbodn> flask_tryton is a more viable example, indeed
2017-02-21 17:07 <cedk> alexbodn: product categories are standard in Tryton
2017-02-21 17:07 <alexbodn> i'd rather use the original repository everywhere possible
2017-02-21 17:08 <alexbodn> are the products and categories different for each company?
2017-02-21 17:10 <pokoli> alexbodn: no, they are for a
2017-02-21 17:10 <pokoli> alexbodn: they are shared between all the companies
2017-02-21 17:12 <alexbodn> and what was the reason to separate accounting data by companies, as compared to not separating products
2017-02-21 17:13 <pokoli> alexbodn: each company may have a different chart of accounts
2017-02-21 17:13 <pokoli> alexbodn: because they have it's fiscal residence on different countries, and they have different tax regulator
2017-02-21 17:14 <alexbodn> hence, they may well have different products, not?
2017-02-21 17:15 <pokoli> alexbodn: yes, but the may sell the same catalog
2017-02-21 17:15 <pokoli> alexbodn: so there is no need to duplicate referential data
2017-02-21 17:16 <alexbodn> may, or should have the same catalog?
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2017-02-21 17:17 <pokoli> alexbodn: Indeed, the catalog is the same
2017-02-21 17:18 <alexbodn> so what is the boundary between modules fragmenting or not by company?
2017-02-21 17:22 <cedk> alexbodn: we try by default to share except when it is not possible
2017-02-21 17:22 <cedk> alexbodn: because it is easier to add a company field then to remove it
2017-02-21 17:23 <alexbodn> don't remove. just ignore it
2017-02-21 17:25 <alexbodn> so your sale model is a multinational network of shops, belonging to a company or it's subsidiaries?
2017-02-21 17:28 <cedk> alexbodn: when there is a company field it is required
2017-02-21 17:33 <cedk> alexbodn: do not understand the last sentence
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2017-02-21 17:40 <alexbodn> cedk: my aim is to perform sales of multiple companies, through multiple shops per company..different companies and different shops may have different lists of products, classified in different categories. the master icecat list may be a common source for the products and categories in each company and shop.
2017-02-21 17:45 <alexbodn> cedk: the tax law may be interesting about a company/party native in the us selling merchandise from a warehouse in india to a customer in israel, pricing in euro
2017-02-21 17:46 <alexbodn> and sending by german dhl
2017-02-21 17:48 <cedk> alexbodn: OK but I still do not understand the question
2017-02-21 17:52 <alexbodn> cedk: i was just asking about the reason part of the models are company specific, while the others are not
2017-02-21 17:53 <cedk> alexbodn: sale is clearly company dependent so it is Tryton
2017-02-21 17:54 <alexbodn> cedk: wonderful!
2017-02-21 17:54 <alexbodn> so only the product list is shares?
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2017-02-21 17:57 <cedk> alexbodn: usually referential data is shared: product, party etc.
2017-02-21 17:57 <cedk> alexbodn: expect for accounting data which must be linked to a company
2017-02-21 17:57 <cedk> otherwise procedural data are often company related like sale, purchase, shipment, invoice etc.
2017-02-21 17:59 <alexbodn> cedk, that's ok for one application, but is it changeable iby inheritance, for example?
2017-02-21 18:03 <cedk> alexbodn: as I said we put company only when it can not be otherwise
2017-02-21 18:03 <cedk> and it is always possible to add company but it should be carefully done
2017-02-21 18:05 <alexbodn> like sale depends on product, and i wish to use another_product instead, the product with company. how could i "just" replace in place product with "another_product", without changing sale
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2017-02-21 20:14 <cedk> alexbodn: I do not understand what you want to do
2017-02-21 20:47 <alexbodn> cedk: sorry. i hope not to fork very much. so my option is to install product and the company functionality. but then, it loses benefit of your upgrades. so i'd prefer to inherit other_product from original product, and just add the field. but the sale and other modules depend on product' not on other_product. hence i was asking whether other_product could replace product. just thinking aloud.
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2017-02-21 20:58 <alexbodn> cedk: i really don't know much, but in the thread you started on pos, there was a reference to price list. maybe the products of one company are the products that have price in it's price list?
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