IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2021-03-02

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue Mar 2 12:00:01 AM CET 2021
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cedkACTION wish people will actually learn the forum format and check the rendering09:03
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pokolicedk: maybe we should add some link to https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-new-user-guide/9633109:03
cedkpokoli: it is a lost cause, I have been editing post of the same users over and over09:03
cedkpeople are just lazy and do not care09:03
pokoliI've been posting from my phone last days and I see there are a lot of typos you and dave fixed. Thanks for that09:03
pokolicedk: so if they do not care we should not care also09:03
HirschbeutelTo be fair: We also had to learn first that formatting is an essential element for clarity09:03
cedkpokoli: the forum is our common knowledge if we do not care of it, it will become pointless09:03
pokolithen I think we should have the guide, and flag posts (without hiddin them) to make the users aware about the formating09:03
cedkpokoli: there is already an onboarding guide in standard09:03
pokoliSo intead of editing for them, we make them aware of the best practices and that they should follow09:03
pokolicedk: I guess most of people do not read the guide09:03
cedkpokoli: when editing they get notified so they should learn from it09:03
pokolicedk: then the only option is punishment: After some wrong posts if they do not edit we should flag and ask them to use the right format to contribute on the formum09:03
pokoliit's moreless that we are doing with code, if a patch does not follow pep8 we do not include them (and we adapt it latter if required)09:03
pokoliI do not see more options there09:03
cedkpokoli: problem is to keep track of that per user09:03
cedkfor now usually I just fix the formatting but if it is a support I do not answer directly even if I know09:03
cedkto keep track there is on the user profile the notification per edits09:03
cedkthis can give some hint09:03
Hirschbeutelcedk: why not sending a Notification: "Hi, like your post but I start crying reading it' - positive feedback?09:03
pokolicedk: There is an option to add a staff notice to the post, so the users knows09:03
pokolihttps://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-moderation-guide/6311609:03
Hirschbeutelcedk: because if you are editing the user never will learn it.09:03
HirschbeutelACTION funny that as a slob, badly formatted code now bothers me too09:03
pokolicedk: on the other hand, we may start using the Lounge (which is restricted to moderators) to discuss this features09:03
htgoebelGood Morning,09:03
htgoebelmy model has a "active" field. How can I make this True by default?09:03
htgoebel(I tried default_active, but this this not work for me)09:03
pokolihtgoebel: this is managed by DeactivableMixin automatically, you do not need to care09:03
htgoebelIC. thnx. I added the field myself instead of using DeactivableMixin09:03
cedkpokoli: Lounge is not restricted to moderator but to level 3, it is Staff that is10:03
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cedkhtgoebel: why are you removing me from the nosy list?13:03
htgoebelcedk: Not intentionally.13:03
cedkhtgoebel: you just ignore the warning of the application!13:03
htgoebelcedk: I might not have read the warning in all detailes13:03
htgoebelcedk: Obviously roundup's conflict resolution could be improved :-)13:03
cedkhtgoebel: it is always the fault of others13:03
cedkACTION last comment13:03
htgoebelcedk: "No special case" means: tracebacks are always output, even if the error is handled?14:03
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cedkhtgoebel: there is no point to fill and discuss such thing as long as there is no patch submitted (following our process)14:03
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pokolihtgoebel: how we will know which attribute to fix without the traceback?14:03
pokolihtgoebel: in your case you wrote a "sequenc" attribute while it should probably be "sequence"14:03
pokoliI read all this inforamtion for the traceback and I will miss without them14:03
pokoliThis is extremly usefull when helping users on the forum14:03
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htgoebelpokoli: I totally agree on tracebacks being extremely useful for debugging.15:03
htgoebelAnyhow in this case a very useful error message is logged just above the traceback already.15:03
htgoebelSo the error case is handled and even converted into a very useful message. You can see this in https://bugs.tryton.org/issue10144#msg65067, which I just added for the records.)15:03
htgoebelI did not recognize this error message due to this *long* traceback - and this is why I did not put it into the issue at the first place.15:03
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pokolihtgoebel: IIUC the problem is that the error message is duplicated?15:03
pokolihtgoebel: i'm unable to reproduce the issue....15:03
udonohtgoebel: https://bugs.tryton.org/issue10144#msg6506616:03
htgoebelpokoli: I'm going to try creating a reproducible case - will take some day, though.16:03
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pokolihtgoebel: It's always good to have some steps to reproduce when creating a bug so others can easly reproduce16:03
pokoliSincerly, when I go for fixing bugs I always pick the ones that are easier to reproduce for me16:03
pokolibecause I prefer to spend my free time coding than reproducing strange bugs :)16:03
htgoebelpokoli: Fair enough :-)16:03
htgoebelpokoli: This is no urgent anyway, which is by I filed it as "feature"16:03
pokolihtgoebel: if not urgent better to take your time to create a complete bug report ;)16:03
pokolihtgoebel: you have to note that once you hit the create bug I get a mail on my mailbox which has a high change of been read on the same day :)17:03
htgoebelpokoli: Will do next time. Thanks for nagging :-)17:03
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