IRC logs of #tryton for Saturday, 2009-03-14

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2009-03-14 12:01 <Timitos> cedk: hi. tryton on ohloh seems not to be updated. do you know somethings about? the last tracked commit seems to be from 19th of February
2009-03-14 12:04 <cedk> Timitos: I don't know there is a lot of others that are not updated
2009-03-14 12:06 <cedk> Timitos: I have seen some that ask on the forum to update their projects
2009-03-14 12:07 <Timitos> cedk: ok. thx.
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2009-03-14 14:24 <cristi_an> cedk:,udono ,Timitos for adavance reporting on client
2009-03-14 14:24 <cristi_an> i spossbile to do something liek this
2009-03-14 14:24 <cristi_an> http://imagebin.ca/view/RltluuNV.html
2009-03-14 14:24 <cristi_an> ?
2009-03-14 14:25 <cristi_an> something like pivoit grids
2009-03-14 14:30 <Timitos> cristi_an: i donĀ“t think so. but it would be a nice feature. but you can do this with parsing data into a calc table and perhaps do it with openoffice
2009-03-14 14:33 <cristi_an> so like a printable report
2009-03-14 14:33 <cristi_an> not inside the desktop application
2009-03-14 14:36 <cedk> cristi_an: this requires some kind of "BI" function
2009-03-14 14:37 <cristi_an> cedk: not in that sense...i wouldl like to create a report on the screen that looks like that...
2009-03-14 14:37 <cristi_an> so it is more like having a widget like that on client side
2009-03-14 14:38 <cristi_an> since after all it is a widget...like a more advanced tree table
2009-03-14 14:38 <cristi_an> popultated with data
2009-03-14 14:38 <cedk> cristi_an: it is just replacing one column with a set of others
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2009-03-14 14:39 <cedk> cristi_an: the difficulty is to not overload the server, that is why I say it needs some caching and knowledge like a BI
2009-03-14 14:41 <cristi_an> i see
2009-03-14 14:41 <cristi_an> i saw openerp does not have a link anymore to their BI solution
2009-03-14 14:42 <cristi_an> or i can't find that...maybe
2009-03-14 14:45 <cedk> cristi_an: in fact the good term will be OLAP
2009-03-14 14:46 <cristi_an> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLAP
2009-03-14 14:46 <cristi_an> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivot_table
2009-03-14 14:47 <cristi_an> something like that in tryton ? (in the future)
2009-03-14 14:48 <Timitos> cristi_an: cedk: we talked about that today. somebody mentioned this link: http://www.jedox.com/de/produkte/palo_olap_server/einleitung.html
2009-03-14 14:49 <cristi_an> really ? today....
2009-03-14 14:49 <cristi_an> nice coincidence...
2009-03-14 14:49 <Timitos> cristi_an: yes. today.
2009-03-14 14:50 <cristi_an> i was looking for something like that ...but i did not saw you discussion
2009-03-14 14:51 <cristi_an> open source ????
2009-03-14 14:52 <Timitos> cristi_an: i talked on another channel about that
2009-03-14 14:52 <Timitos> cristi_an: it was first not tryton related
2009-03-14 14:52 <cedk> http://cubulus.sourceforge.net/
2009-03-14 14:53 <Timitos> cristi_an: i did not look complete on the solution but it mentiones that it is open source
2009-03-14 14:53 <cedk> I think it is a good starting point (I think also that OpenERP starts from it)
2009-03-14 14:53 <cristi_an> what other channel ,german one ?
2009-03-14 14:54 <Timitos> cristi_an: no
2009-03-14 14:57 <cristi_an> cedk: i look very interesting
2009-03-14 14:57 <cristi_an> it
2009-03-14 14:57 <cedk> cristi_an: looks :-)
2009-03-14 14:57 <cristi_an> bui know :)
2009-03-14 14:57 <cristi_an> i know
2009-03-14 14:57 <cristi_an> cedk: but that is web app.
2009-03-14 14:58 <cristi_an> web interface
2009-03-14 14:58 <cristi_an> can that be intergrated in client.
2009-03-14 14:58 <cedk> cristi_an: I don't think the interface is the more important in this project
2009-03-14 14:58 <cristi_an> or you want to be used in that manner
2009-03-14 14:58 <cedk> cristi_an: it is how it use the cache and compute data
2009-03-14 14:59 <cristi_an> agree
2009-03-14 14:59 <cristi_an> but you have to present that data in a nice manner
2009-03-14 15:00 <cedk> cristi_an: first, a strong backend and after GUI
2009-03-14 15:02 <cristi_an> anyway ...is this something that tryton takes into consideration ?
2009-03-14 15:02 <cristi_an> in the near or long future
2009-03-14 15:02 <cristi_an> ?
2009-03-14 15:07 <udono> cristi_an: yes, of course we will have this in Future. But I don't thing it is with high priority for us now. First we need a High Quality Framework, then a well set of Modules. Only after this it makes sense to think about BI I think. Because BI is for collecting a lot of data, tables and aspects. Without the many models I don't see the real need, just a nice to have.
2009-03-14 15:09 <cristi_an> i perfectly understand you !!!! BUT....since thre are a lot of guy on the market that sell services and product that have all in one soultuins (even if bad ,but well advertised) it is haed to sell something that
2009-03-14 15:09 <cristi_an> do not have features like this...
2009-03-14 15:09 <cristi_an> since managers...are boinded by reports
2009-03-14 15:10 <cristi_an> i can talk about how tryonn is how stable and strong backed...
2009-03-14 15:10 <cristi_an> since they assume all are ...!!! by default
2009-03-14 15:10 <cristi_an> so he will choose something that has repotings etc etc
2009-03-14 15:10 <cristi_an> you got my point...
2009-03-14 15:10 <cristi_an> however....i know ..you do you best here
2009-03-14 15:11 <cristi_an> and if i had more time not only Saturdays ...
2009-03-14 15:11 <cristi_an> i would try to help you...
2009-03-14 15:13 <cedk> cristi_an: small business will not need of this kind of reports
2009-03-14 15:14 <cedk> some good design reports with relatorio will make it
2009-03-14 15:16 <cristi_an> YES !
2009-03-14 15:17 <cristi_an> but you have to dream :) on more
2009-03-14 15:19 <udono> cristi_an: From the marketing point of view you are absolutely right. But I dislike to integrate a lot of functionalities and Dependencies into tryton, just to serve some possible needs of some big customers. For me Tryton should be nearly complete for small and very small companies. And the fullfilling for mid-size/larger companies and their special needs should be financed by themselve...
2009-03-14 15:19 <udono> cristi_an: and dreaming with Tryton is a real reat aspect of the software...
2009-03-14 15:19 <udono> /reat/great/
2009-03-14 15:23 <cristi_an> udono: :)
2009-03-14 15:25 <cedk> cristi_an: did you succed to make you connection test between Tryton and OpenERP ?
2009-03-14 15:25 <cristi_an> NO iwas not able to connect with openerp
2009-03-14 15:25 <cristi_an> destkop client
2009-03-14 15:25 <cristi_an> to any remote server
2009-03-14 15:25 <cristi_an> i was very very courious to see how it works
2009-03-14 15:26 <cristi_an> i saw once on a forum a server
2009-03-14 15:26 <cristi_an> but that was for 4.2
2009-03-14 15:26 <cristi_an> ans i wanted to test latest version on a remote server...
2009-03-14 15:26 <cristi_an> that from web pages tells me i do not have latest vesions or so
2009-03-14 15:26 <cedk> cristi_an: the demo server on OpenERP are not accessible ?
2009-03-14 15:27 <cristi_an> well ... i could not connect with latest downloaed client
2009-03-14 15:27 <cedk> I'm just currious if the NO_TCPDELAY has any effect on the speed
2009-03-14 15:28 <cedk> cristi_an: great :-( the demo server is not up todate ?
2009-03-14 15:28 <cristi_an> you can try too,if you have like 5 min
2009-03-14 15:28 <cristi_an> maybe i did something worng...
2009-03-14 15:30 <cedk> cristi_an: args, I need to install bzr
2009-03-14 15:34 <cristi_an> no...
2009-03-14 15:34 <cristi_an> i seee
2009-03-14 15:34 <cristi_an> you do not have windows
2009-03-14 15:34 <cristi_an> install :)
2009-03-14 15:35 <cedk> cristi_an: Not here
2009-03-14 15:35 <cedk> cristi_an: and my laptop crash last week :-(
2009-03-14 15:35 <cedk> cristi_an: I will try
2009-03-14 15:35 <cristi_an> :(
2009-03-14 15:35 <cedk> but for now, I'm working on improving the translation
2009-03-14 15:35 <cristi_an> k...:)
2009-03-14 15:36 <cedk> I will write a module that ask to google to translate
2009-03-14 15:36 <cedk> and add some queries to try to translate automaticly new terms that has been already translated
2009-03-14 15:38 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 289:8e86d2e683f6 website/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/tryton.po: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 15:42 <cristi_an> cool !..
2009-03-14 15:43 <cristi_an> web serive based ..i guess
2009-03-14 15:43 <cristi_an> or like a http call and you extract
2009-03-14 15:43 <cristi_an> nice however :)
2009-03-14 15:43 <cedk> cristi_an: I don't find webservice
2009-03-14 15:45 <cedk> I think it will speed up the translation process
2009-03-14 15:45 <cristi_an> for sure...and a native...
2009-03-14 15:45 <cristi_an> will just
2009-03-14 15:45 <cedk> because translator will only check if the translation is correct
2009-03-14 15:45 <cristi_an> make some improvement manually
2009-03-14 15:45 <cristi_an> :)
2009-03-14 15:45 <cristi_an> smart choice :)
2009-03-14 15:50 <cristi_an> cedk: someday...now i push my luck !
2009-03-14 15:50 <cristi_an> can;t you just do a script thta populated the db with much more
2009-03-14 15:50 <cristi_an> data
2009-03-14 15:50 <cristi_an> the demo
2009-03-14 15:51 <cristi_an> like having around data that a firm gets in one yers
2009-03-14 15:51 <cristi_an> 5000 customers
2009-03-14 15:51 <cristi_an> and like 10000 produscts
2009-03-14 15:51 <cristi_an> and 100000 inovices
2009-03-14 15:54 <udono> cedk: http://sourceforge.net/projects/googletranslate
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2009-03-14 16:18 <cedk> udono: I don't find any packages
2009-03-14 16:19 <cedk> udono: and I write in one line the call to google translate
2009-03-14 16:31 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #861/Display of number of selected records: [new] It would be nice to have the number of the selected records besides the ID of the current selected record in the status bar of the client.
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2009-03-14 17:05 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #862/Renaming of Packing to Shipment: [new] According to http://groups.google.com/group/tryton/browse_thread/thread/8337c7319c2efaaa I propose to rename: Packing -> Shipment Customer ...
2009-03-14 17:23 <cedk> I just read http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174457&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=14515105
2009-03-14 17:23 <cedk> It explain why disabling Nagle has no effect on Tryton (or OpenERP) connection
2009-03-14 17:23 <cedk> because we make write-read-write-read everytime
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1616:521f5ee962a0 trytond/trytond/ (ir/de_DE.csv res/de_DE.csv workflow/de_DE.csv): Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 391:48de1564d1d0 account/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 275:f7cd1cbbaded account_invoice/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 33:3dcb8eee2d3b account_product/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 63:109b8b5ce7db analytic_account/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:30 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 131:fb3032244924 company/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:31 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 238:6b399109c162 party/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
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2009-03-14 17:31 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 256:fe6775819ca5 purchase/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:31 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 140:50be25a244f8 sale/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:31 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 170:a4420abcf804 stock_supply/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 17:33 <cristi_an> ahaa
2009-03-14 17:33 <cristi_an> but did you tried doing it on tryton ?
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2009-03-14 17:42 <Timitos> cedk: i need to use the value of a DateTime-Field in another textfield. is there some function in tryton to format the date for party_language?
2009-03-14 17:46 <cedk> Timitos: you can look at format_lang in report.py
2009-03-14 17:47 <Timitos> cedk: thx
2009-03-14 17:47 <cedk> cristi_an: I try but I didn't see any difference
2009-03-14 17:47 <cedk> cristi_an: but we don't suffer from the same lattency then OpenERP
2009-03-14 17:55 <cristi_an> tryton works ok over the internet
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2009-03-14 19:16 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 0:3e36dd89279b google_translate/ (10 files): Initial commit for google_translate module
2009-03-14 19:16 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1617:f266f7ae3e11 trytond/trytond/tools/convert.py: Set default values on RecordTagHandler
2009-03-14 19:16 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1618:d1afe23e1e87 trytond/trytond/ir/translation.py: Try to find translation for new one
2009-03-14 19:16 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1619:2e45c5b5affe trytond/: merge
2009-03-14 19:17 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 276:7211ada1f78e account_invoice/invoice.py: Better error message
2009-03-14 19:17 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 277:e8efca5eb8a5 account_invoice/: merge
2009-03-14 20:05 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #863/ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup: [new] If module google_translate just is in modules path, but not installed: [Sat Mar 14 20:02:43 2009] ERROR:modules:Couldn't import module goog ...
2009-03-14 20:15 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #863/ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup: [resolved] Read the readme, you must install BeautifulSoup if you install it.
2009-03-14 20:29 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #864/README account_invoice: [new] contains The account_statement module of the Tryton application platform.
2009-03-14 20:29 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #864/README account_invoice: [resolved] error, other module
2009-03-14 20:41 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 290:eaba46050846 website/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/tryton.po: Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 20:46 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #865/Website: path to irc logs: [new] When running the website in a localized version, the path to IRC Log Archiv gives a 404.
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2009-03-14 20:57 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 291:574411114ea1 website/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Use absolute path for ~irclog
2009-03-14 20:57 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #865/Website: path to irc logs: [resolved] Fix with changeset 574411114ea1
2009-03-14 21:08 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #866/Translation: multiple models for module country: [new] In an updated database with b2ck only modules the actualization of translation results in multiple translation records for models of modul c ...
2009-03-14 21:20 <CIA-10> tryton: mathias.behrle@gmx.de * r467 /wiki/InstallationMercurial.wiki: Update optional deps
2009-03-14 21:20 <CIA-10> tryton: mathias.behrle@gmx.de * r468 /wiki/InstallationOnDebian.wiki: Update optional deps
2009-03-14 21:45 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #867/Client: Plugins mixed up when localized: [new] When running the client localized to Germany the items of the Plugin menu are mixed up: Translate view executes Print Workflow (Co ...
2009-03-14 21:46 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1214:1dc2b82df2c3 tryton/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/ (tryton.mo tryton.po): Update translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 22:34 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #868/Please make "Try to find translation for new one " a wizard: [new] Changeset http://hg.tryton.org/hgwebdir.cgi/trytond/rev/d1afe23e1e87 introduced a heavy slowdown on acualization of translation. This feat ...
2009-03-14 22:39 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1215:585f8fff58f7 tryton/tryton/common/common.py: Fix selection to use the right keys for issue867
2009-03-14 22:39 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #867/Client: Plugins mixed up when localized: [resolved] Fix with changeset 585f8fff58f7
2009-03-14 22:41 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #866/Translation: multiple models for module country: [testing] It must not be linked to the account_invoice_history module. Is it also happening with a fresh database?
2009-03-14 22:53 <CIA-10> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1:a4c545558446 google_translate/ (__tryton__.py de_DE.csv): Add translation for de_DE
2009-03-14 22:57 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #866/Translation: multiple models for module country: It doesn't at least happen in another updated database without this module installed.
2009-03-14 23:18 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1620:4a3b87fe1815 trytond/trytond/ir/translation.py: Fix typo in query
2009-03-14 23:18 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #868/Please make "Try to find translation for new one " a wizard: [resolved] The changeset 4a3b87fe1815 fix a typo in the query and now it will use the indexes.
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