IRC logs of #tryton for Saturday, 2010-01-23

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Sat Jan 23 00:00:02 CET 2010
2010-01-23 02:07 <CIA-5> matb roundup * #1339/Naming of tab security and groups: Patch attached.
2010-01-23 02:07 <CIA-5> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1339
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2010-01-23 09:13 <CIA-5> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@mbsolutions.selfip.biz> default * 2165:3a7b05bb1697 trytond/trytond/res/ (group.xml user.xml): Improve some tab descriptions for issue 1339
2010-01-23 09:13 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/rev/3a7b05bb1697
2010-01-23 09:13 <CIA-5> ced roundup * #1339/Naming of tab security and groups: [resolved] Applied
2010-01-23 09:13 <CIA-5> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1339
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2010-01-23 10:15 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1506:e1e6c710f56a tryton/tryton/gui/window/view_form/widget_search/calendar.py:
2010-01-23 10:15 <CIA-5> Use DHM_FORMAT for datetime fields in search widget
2010-01-23 10:15 <CIA-5> Since there is more checks on sql_format of datetime fields, we can no more
2010-01-23 10:15 <CIA-5> send date value for datetime fields.
2010-01-23 10:15 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/tryton/rev/e1e6c710f56a
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2010-01-23 11:40 <sharoon> cedk: are u busy? i was following your discussion with rvalyi yesterday on IRC. Just have a few questions
2010-01-23 11:41 <cedk> sharoon: let's go
2010-01-23 11:41 <sharoon> cedk: do you have osv_memory kind of wizards?
2010-01-23 11:41 <sharoon> or rather memory objects?
2010-01-23 11:43 <cedk> sharoon: yes of course, I think OpenERP was inspired by our implementation
2010-01-23 11:43 <cedk> sharoon: indeed we use ModelView
2010-01-23 11:43 <sharoon> cedk: cool
2010-01-23 11:44 <sharoon> cedk: after a few really trouble some implementations and rounding errors i am really pissed off and the way bugs are handled :(
2010-01-23 11:44 <cedk> sharoon: we split objects into differents concept ModelStorage, ModelView, ModelSQL etc.
2010-01-23 11:44 <sharoon> ok
2010-01-23 11:44 <sharoon> cedk: modelSQL are they rendered from sql views?
2010-01-23 11:44 <cedk> sharoon: ModelSQL derive ModelStorage for SQL storage
2010-01-23 11:45 <cedk> sharoon: for now we only have ModelSQL but in the furtur we could have other one
2010-01-23 11:45 <sharoon> cedk: ok, i see that most of the pages in 1.4 doc are empty. is it in progress or ?
2010-01-23 11:45 <cedk> sharoon: like ModelLDAP ...
2010-01-23 11:45 <sharoon> cedk: I understand
2010-01-23 11:46 <cedk> sharoon: doc is a hard work, we will try to improve it for 1.6
2010-01-23 11:46 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 11:46 <sharoon> cedk: I always thought of tryton as an alternative to open erp
2010-01-23 11:47 <sharoon> cedk: i think I seriously have to consider this and one more question
2010-01-23 11:47 <sharoon> cedk: how stable are the modules? I am only talking abt the base ones like account, product, manuf etc
2010-01-23 11:47 <sharoon> cedk: issues like rounding?
2010-01-23 11:48 <cedk> sharoon: i think we fixed rounding issue since 1.0
2010-01-23 11:48 <cedk> sharoon: it was hardly tested by timitos
2010-01-23 11:48 <sharoon> cedk: what is your current major issue?
2010-01-23 11:49 <cedk> sharoon: see bugs.tryton.org :-)
2010-01-23 11:49 <cedk> sharoon: nothing very major
2010-01-23 11:49 <sharoon> thats nice you have your own bug tracker
2010-01-23 11:50 <sharoon> cedk: is there anything for user help/documentation?
2010-01-23 11:50 <cedk> sharoon: yes, this W-E I will activate a security hiden feature
2010-01-23 11:51 <cedk> sharoon: there is the wiki.tryton.org
2010-01-23 11:51 <cedk> sharoon: but it is more dev oriented
2010-01-23 11:51 <cedk> sharoon: as we see Tryton as a Framework to develop business application, it is difficult to provide user documentation
2010-01-23 11:51 <sharoon> cedk: i understand... and one frank question ... i guess you are the best person to answer: what do you think will be the learning curve from Open ERP to Tryton/
2010-01-23 11:52 <cedk> sharoon: very little one day perhaps
2010-01-23 11:52 <sharoon> cedk: thanks for your time
2010-01-23 11:52 <sharoon> :-)
2010-01-23 11:52 <cedk> sharoon: but I think once you have tasted you can no more come back :-)
2010-01-23 11:52 <sharoon> cedk: Was that a warning?? :P
2010-01-23 11:53 <sharoon> cedk: will come back to you
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 552:57ea9c505102 account/ (CHANGELOG move.py move.xml): Add default search value on account move
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/account/rev/57ea9c505102
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 404:10b7e8a0ad39 account_invoice/ (CHANGELOG invoice.py invoice.xml): Add default search value on invoice
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/account_invoice/rev/10b7e8a0ad39
2010-01-23 11:53 <sharoon> cedk: This weekend is for tryton
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 362:cb5d14e54040 purchase/ (CHANGELOG purchase.py purchase.xml): Add default search value on purchase
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/purchase/rev/cb5d14e54040
2010-01-23 11:53 <cedk> sharoon: i mean come back to OpenERP :-)
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 233:f9e41465e953 sale/ (CHANGELOG sale.py sale.xml): Add default search value on sale
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/sale/rev/f9e41465e953
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 639:c9ce2a180454 stock/ (7 files): Add default search value on inventory, move and shipments
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock/rev/c9ce2a180454
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 68:17783b7a797a stock_forecast/ (CHANGELOG forecast.py forecast.xml): Add default search value on forecast
2010-01-23 11:53 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock_forecast/rev/17783b7a797a
2010-01-23 11:54 <cedk> sharoon: if you have any question, you can ask here or on mailing list
2010-01-23 11:54 <sharoon> cedk: i got you.... i would love to stay with Tryton if it takes away the pain open erp gives in supporting implementations
2010-01-23 11:54 <cedk> sharoon: depends of the complexity
2010-01-23 11:54 <sharoon> cedk: i am already in the mailing list i think: its google groups?
2010-01-23 11:54 <cedk> sharoon: yes
2010-01-23 11:54 <sharoon> cedk: Ok
2010-01-23 11:54 <cedk> sharoon: it is better for general question
2010-01-23 11:54 <sharoon> ok
2010-01-23 11:56 <sharoon> cedk: last question: do you advise being in the trunk/head or go for stable releases?
2010-01-23 11:56 <sharoon> cedk: like the django guys?
2010-01-23 11:56 <cedk> sharoon: it depends of your usage
2010-01-23 11:57 <sharoon> cedk: what do you recommend for deployment? stable i guess?
2010-01-23 11:57 <cedk> sharoon: we try to have working trunk but sometimes it is broken for one day
2010-01-23 11:57 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 11:57 <cedk> sharoon: for deployment of course stable
2010-01-23 11:57 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 11:57 <cedk> sharoon: all branches are maintained for now
2010-01-23 11:57 <sharoon> cedk: let me try the 1.4 with the modules
2010-01-23 11:57 <cedk> sharoon: I'm thinking to propose to drop 1.0 when 1.6 will be out
2010-01-23 11:58 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 11:58 <cedk> sharoon: if you are in windows, there is an issue with 1.4 exe
2010-01-23 11:58 <sharoon> cedk: never on windows
2010-01-23 11:58 <sharoon> :-)
2010-01-23 11:58 <cedk> sharoon: we use python 2.6 to generate it but it requires the MSVS dll
2010-01-23 11:59 <sharoon> cedk: so tryton is already py2.6? gr8
2010-01-23 12:01 <cedk> sharoon: I dev on python 2.6
2010-01-23 12:01 <cedk> sharoon: and bechamel is on python 2.5
2010-01-23 12:02 <sharoon> cedk: 1 question how do i clone all modules together?
2010-01-23 12:02 <cedk> sharoon: we keep backward compatibility with 2.4
2010-01-23 12:02 <sharoon> cedk: gr8, that fits all sizes :-)
2010-01-23 12:02 <cedk> sharoon: there is a script: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationMercurial#Automatic_Way
2010-01-23 12:02 <sharoon> thanks
2010-01-23 12:03 <cedk> sharoon: don't know yet when we will drop 2.4
2010-01-23 12:03 <sharoon> cedk: i dev on 2.6 too
2010-01-23 12:03 <cedk> sharoon: on trunk we remove dep to mx.datetime
2010-01-23 12:04 <cedk> s/remove/removed/
2010-01-23 12:04 <sharoon> cedk: so tryton will run on jython?
2010-01-23 12:04 <cedk> sharoon: I try it but there is an issue with the logger
2010-01-23 12:04 <sharoon> ok
2010-01-23 12:04 <cedk> sharoon: and we need a new backend
2010-01-23 12:05 <cedk> sharoon: as there is no pycopg2
2010-01-23 12:05 <cedk> sharoon: I'm not sure of the utility but we are openned to improvement
2010-01-23 12:05 <sharoon> cedk: ok, (hpefully not Oracle(TM) MySQL(TM) :P)
2010-01-23 12:05 <sharoon> cedk: what abt sa?
2010-01-23 12:06 <cedk> sharoon: I started to work on MySQL backend, could be ready soon
2010-01-23 12:06 <cedk> sharoon: I see SA as an other framework
2010-01-23 12:06 <sharoon> cedk: but MySQL is not ACID!
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2010-01-23 12:07 <cedk> sharoon: I talked about Elixir and SA with Gaƫtan de Menten one year ago and it miss some functionality for us
2010-01-23 12:08 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 12:08 <cedk> sharoon: MySQL has traditional mode which gives ACID but it run slower
2010-01-23 12:08 <sharoon> cedk: what abt customers? do you have many customers? Partners etc?
2010-01-23 12:08 <cedk> sharoon: B2CK has some customers, we don't know for others
2010-01-23 12:09 <cedk> sharoon: Tryton doesn't have a Partner program
2010-01-23 12:09 <sharoon> ok, with just your standard modules whats the deployment time like?
2010-01-23 12:09 <cedk> sharoon: we don't think it is good for Free Software
2010-01-23 12:09 <sharoon> cedk: I agree
2010-01-23 12:09 <cedk> sharoon: it depends which module we install
2010-01-23 12:09 <cedk> sharoon: and which functionality you sale
2010-01-23 12:09 <sharoon> cedk: typical manuf environment?
2010-01-23 12:10 <cedk> sharoon: we don't have production yet
2010-01-23 12:10 <sharoon> ok
2010-01-23 12:10 <sharoon> cedk: openerp's is so unstable antyway
2010-01-23 12:11 <cedk> sharoon: simple invoicing was setup in two days (custom report and setup accounts)
2010-01-23 12:11 <cedk> sharoon: from scratch
2010-01-23 12:11 <sharoon> cedk: whjat about account charts?
2010-01-23 12:11 <sharoon> cedk: i saw only belgium
2010-01-23 12:11 <cedk> sharoon: only Belgium and Germany
2010-01-23 12:12 <sharoon> ok
2010-01-23 12:12 <cedk> sharoon: I started French but I missing time
2010-01-23 12:12 <cedk> sharoon: any way, most of OpenERP chart are just copy of accounts
2010-01-23 12:13 <sharoon> i agree and uk one is so crazy and wierd... it sets foreign exchange as receivable account :P
2010-01-23 12:14 <cedk> sharoon: it doesn't suprise me
2010-01-23 12:14 <cedk> sharoon: I was there when all those charts of accounts was created in one day :-)
2010-01-23 12:15 <sharoon> cedk: now doesnt surprise me
2010-01-23 12:15 <cedk> need to go
2010-01-23 12:15 <cedk> ACTION bbl
2010-01-23 12:15 <sharoon> cedk: thanks for ur time again
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2010-01-23 13:15 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 186:850d03f6788f product/ (category.xml uom.xml): Add missing "New Entry" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 13:15 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/product/rev/850d03f6788f
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2010-01-23 14:16 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 372:765b4cdc0a2c website/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove security mailing list
2010-01-23 14:16 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/www.tryton.org/rev/765b4cdc0a2c
2010-01-23 14:36 <sharoon> cedk: there? I tested tryton functionally with all the modules.... impressive and stable
2010-01-23 14:37 <sharoon> cedk: are there additional modules other than the ones in the repo?
2010-01-23 14:43 <cedk> sharoon: http://labs.tryton.org/ and http://mercurial.intuxication.org/tryton/
2010-01-23 15:04 <sharoon> cedk: is it possible to import csv files in lieu of xml files in python for data import?
2010-01-23 15:05 <sharoon> python:tryton
2010-01-23 15:07 <cedk> sharoon: no
2010-01-23 15:07 <cedk> sharoon: we force to have id on all data imported by modules
2010-01-23 15:08 <cedk> sharoon: but you can import data by csv file outside modules
2010-01-23 15:08 <sharoon> cedk: its possible with csv as well right?
2010-01-23 15:08 <cedk> sharoon: no there is no id on csv file
2010-01-23 15:08 <sharoon> cedk: the first field is always id
2010-01-23 15:09 <cedk> sharoon: Tryton doesn't do that
2010-01-23 15:09 <sharoon> cedk: so whats the preferred way of data migration?
2010-01-23 15:10 <cedk> sharoon: and we try to have only one way to do stuff
2010-01-23 15:10 <cedk> sharoon: data migration will never be done by module
2010-01-23 15:10 <cedk> sharoon: you can use csv file if you don't have too much data
2010-01-23 15:10 <sharoon> cedk: ok, else?
2010-01-23 15:10 <cedk> sharoon: or by scripting, you can use Tryton Models from python script
2010-01-23 15:11 <sharoon> cedk: cool, the django way!!!
2010-01-23 15:12 <cedk> sharoon: I think there is an example by bechamel somewhere but did not find it
2010-01-23 15:12 <sharoon> cedk: no problem, i will explore it
2010-01-23 15:13 <cedk> sharoon: you must know that by default data imported by modules are readonly
2010-01-23 15:14 <sharoon> cedk: thanks, i never knew that!! but is it possible to make not readonly?
2010-01-23 15:14 <sharoon> cedk: Q:is there a html widget in the GTK client?
2010-01-23 15:16 <cedk> sharoon: yes it is possible, you can look at stock location
2010-01-23 15:17 <cedk> sharoon: and no html widget in the client
2010-01-23 15:17 <sharoon> cedk: and whats the update with the web client?
2010-01-23 15:17 <cedk> sharoon: it will be good to have textview with minimal html formating
2010-01-23 15:18 <cedk> sharoon: work in progress: we removed python string from the client side
2010-01-23 15:18 <sharoon> cedk: ok, so what will be the platform for the web client??? last time u were considering GWT
2010-01-23 15:20 <cedk> sharoon: still the same position
2010-01-23 15:20 <cedk> sharoon: for python script with Tryton, you should ask bechamel when he will be there
2010-01-23 15:21 <sharoon> cedk: sure
2010-01-23 15:21 <sharoon> cedk: you were right
2010-01-23 15:21 <sharoon> cedk: i am in love with tryton
2010-01-23 15:22 <cedk> sharoon: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/RemoteCalls
2010-01-23 15:22 <sharoon> thanks
2010-01-23 15:23 <cedk> sharoon: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/ImportData
2010-01-23 15:23 <cedk> but it misses the "import trytond" way
2010-01-23 15:25 <cedk> sharoon: other things, CalDAV is real CalDAV :-) not the Tiny way
2010-01-23 15:26 <sharoon> cedk: i figured that out
2010-01-23 15:29 <cedk> sharoon: and stock_supply makes real JIT
2010-01-23 15:30 <sharoon> cedk: what about BOMs?
2010-01-23 15:30 <cedk> sharoon: we have perhaps a customer for that
2010-01-23 15:31 <cedk> sharoon: the JIT module of OpenERP is a completly miswording because it does exactly the opposite
2010-01-23 15:31 <sharoon> cedk: i agree
2010-01-23 15:32 <cedk> sharoon: I don't understand how it can stay with this name during more than 2 years
2010-01-23 15:33 <sharoon> cedk: what abt the charts of account? all crap
2010-01-23 15:34 <cedk> sharoon: I think be and fr are pretty good
2010-01-23 15:34 <sharoon> cedk: my primary contributions to tryton i think will be poweremail for tryton
2010-01-23 15:37 <cedk> sharoon: it will require the generic trigger action on ModelStorage from http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/Release_1_6_0
2010-01-23 15:37 <sharoon> cedk: you tested poweremail?
2010-01-23 15:39 <cedk> sharoon: I looked the website
2010-01-23 15:39 <cedk> sharoon: I do no more maintain a running OpenERP
2010-01-23 15:40 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 553:448cae277ec0 account/ (6 files): Add missing "New Entry" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/account/rev/448cae277ec0
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 405:067e5a663741 account_invoice/payment_term.xml: Add missing "New Entry" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/account_invoice/rev/067e5a663741
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 101:640bcb9e9496 analytic_account/account.xml: Add missing "New Entry" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/analytic_account/rev/640bcb9e9496
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 640:675732cbf518 stock/inventory.xml: Add missing "New Inventory" and "Draft Inventories" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock/rev/675732cbf518
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 69:a6757f572a00 stock_forecast/forecast.xml: Add missing "New Forecast" and "Draft Forecasts" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock_forecast/rev/a6757f572a00
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 214:6065df798e04 stock_supply/ (order_point.xml purchase_request.xml):
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> Fix order point view string and add type
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> Add missing "New Order Point" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> Add missing "Draft Purchase Request" menus to follow guidelines
2010-01-23 15:47 <CIA-5> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/stock_supply/rev/6065df798e04
2010-01-23 15:50 <cedk> sharoon: if you start working on trigger, we should talk because we have some ideas on how to do it
2010-01-23 15:50 <sharoon> cedk: I will be interested to work on the email integration
2010-01-23 15:51 <sharoon> cedk: so if that means we build a trigger system then i am happy to do that
2010-01-23 15:51 <sharoon> cedk: because if current modules + poweremail = Tryton then I have a project :-)
2010-01-23 15:51 <cedk> sharoon: it depends on what you think by email integration
2010-01-23 15:52 <cedk> sharoon: because there is also a work to manage user email inside Tryton
2010-01-23 15:52 <sharoon> cedk: can you just check out what poweremail is from here:
2010-01-23 15:52 <sharoon> your existing blueprint looks very similar anyway
2010-01-23 15:53 <sharoon> http://launchpad.net/poweremail/trunk/0.6.1/+download/
2010-01-23 15:53 <sharoon> and can you select the user's manual
2010-01-23 15:54 <cedk> sharoon: LP says there is no page
2010-01-23 15:54 <sharoon> https://launchpad.net/poweremail/+download
2010-01-23 15:54 <sharoon> sorry
2010-01-23 15:55 <sharoon> cedk: Does the windows setup work on windows 7 (an additional client req)
2010-01-23 15:57 <cedk> sharoon: not tested personnaly but I hear it works
2010-01-23 15:57 <sharoon> cedk: i am sure it saves several developers many days in development.. thats the general feedback :-)
2010-01-23 15:57 <sharoon> cedk: are the triggers == server actions?
2010-01-23 15:59 <cedk> sharoon: in some kinds, but we want it more generic and powerful
2010-01-23 16:00 <sharoon> cedk: any blueprints/plans?
2010-01-23 16:02 <cedk> sharoon: no, I think writing it while take the same time than implement it :-)
2010-01-23 16:02 <sharoon> cedk: i agree, so when do you think you will be able to have it on trunk?
2010-01-23 16:03 <cedk> sharoon: I don't know, I'm not working on it for now
2010-01-23 16:03 <cedk> sharoon: but you can propose implementation
2010-01-23 16:03 <cedk> sharoon: the difficult part is to detect change on records
2010-01-23 16:03 <cedk> sharoon: and do it in an efficient way
2010-01-23 16:04 <sharoon> cedk: you dont want to use postgres triggers for sure
2010-01-23 16:04 <cedk> sharoon: no, because we want to be able to trigger also function fields
2010-01-23 16:05 <sharoon> cedk: openerp does triggers only on workflow stages
2010-01-23 16:05 <cedk> sharoon: I guess it is because they did not find a better way
2010-01-23 16:06 <cedk> sharoon: there is trigger on crm cases in OpenERP
2010-01-23 16:06 <cedk> sharoon: we want the same thing but generic
2010-01-23 16:06 <sharoon> cedk: will get back to you on this
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