IRC logs of #tryton for Thursday, 2010-03-25

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Thu Mar 25 00:00:02 CET 2010
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cedksharoon: do you do good travel?08:27
sharooncedk: it was good08:27
sharooncedk: now in london :) thanks08:27
cedksharoon: not yet at Manchester08:28
sharooncedk: no this week i am in London for another programme08:28
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oiaohmBig thing I am having headaches with is trying to find a system that will work well with items only intermitely networked.09:03
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cedkoiaohm: can you explain a little bit more10:01
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oiaohmcedk: like laptops in field coming back to main network.10:54
oiaohmIt would be handy of the laptops could basically cache up data to be returned to the main server when they get back.10:54
cedkoiaohm: this is *really* hard to do10:56
cedkoiaohm: and doesn't work in a transaction software10:56
oiaohmMost key thing would be like prep work on invovices and the like.10:57
cedkoiaohm: I don't understand10:57
cedkoiaohm: what the environment constraints?10:58
cedkoiaohm: why having an asynchronous communication?10:58
oiaohmI work as mobile tech.   Where I am may have no network coverage.  So either I have to record notes in laptop and enter them latter into the accountancy package.  Or find someway that I can enter the information that I would other wise type agian when I get back to the office.11:01
cedkoiaohm: you must write a custom script that will do it for you11:02
oiaohmEven as a tech I am limited how I can use clients networks as well.11:02
oiaohmThat is what I am coming down to.  cedk11:02
oiaohmOr maybe alter site to allow like offline storage in webbrowsers to cache the information.11:03
oiaohmOf course I am aware invoice numbers and the like cannot be done in field.  But I see no reason why all information that will be put on a invoice cannot be.11:04
cedkoiaohm: the main issue is that tryton uses a relational database11:05
oiaohmI am not expecting 100 percent functional not connected. cedk11:07
oiaohmLike when I am going out on jobs I would most likely know the clients before I leave.   Even if I had to enter something like that when I got back would not be a major issue.   The issue is recording what was done to build the invoice without forgetting anything.11:09
cedkoiaohm: just a formatted file, that will be uploaded latter11:10
cedkoiaohm: like an excel sheet11:10
oiaohmNow that is fine for me.   Others I would not trust them to create stuff like that themselves.11:11
cedkoiaohm: I don't understand11:12
oiaohmIf I can I want the interfaces for connected and not connected entry to be as close as possible.  So that when they connect the laptop back to the main network they get reminded they have involices to submit.11:14
oiaohmIe reduce the risk of lost paper work cedk11:14
cedkoiaohm: I think this is a very *long* work11:15
oiaohmI did not say what I was looking for was simple.11:16
oiaohmAnd I guess the reason why no systems are doing it.  Is that there is a lot of planing and the like to make it work.11:17
cedkoiaohm: I think it will be simplier to start from a non-relation database11:17
oiaohmDo you know of any open source accountancy using non-relation database11:19
cedkoiaohm: I don't know any11:19
cedkoiaohm: I'm not sure this is possible to make11:19
oiaohmI have worked with pos's that made it work.11:20
oiaohmBut there method had a fully local client/server11:20
oiaohmBasically cached all the required database sections like inventory items and the like.11:21
cedkoiaohm: POS is a another problem11:21
cedkoiaohm: POS don't edit existing stuff, they only create new11:21
oiaohmThat is mostly want I need.11:21
oiaohmwhen I am field.11:21
cedkoiaohm: it is a separate application11:22
oiaohmData from it has to get back to inventory and involiving.11:23
oiaohmSo basically its built a bolt on part.  cedk11:23
cedkoiaohm: we started a project, that requires collecting data offline11:25
cedkoiaohm: so we will write a wizard that will generate an SQLite database to be used in Neso11:25
cedkoiaohm: and after collection data in Neso, the user will upload the database to Tryton server11:25
oiaohmSo there is basically a plan in this project to allow what I need.11:26
cedkoiaohm: and Tryton server will look at some Models that needs to be synchronised11:26
cedkoiaohm: but it is only custom stuff11:26
oiaohmSo the wizard would download releated data like invitory lists.11:28
oiaohmSo while not connected right entries can be formed in Neso.11:28
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cedkoiaohm: don't understand11:29
oiaohmI am just thinking how the pos's work.11:29
oiaohmThey download items that should not change between server syncs.  Like to make a invoice list of product items.11:33
oiaohmI still could end up with some form of sub server setup.11:35
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oiaohmcedk part of what I am asking for is coming from seeing a business lose over 100 thousand dollars from a vpn box failing.  So leading to poorly designed pos and data systems no longer be avaible in any from anywhere bar main office.11:49
oiaohmThere is a need once you go past a particular size to sub server anyhow.11:50
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cedksharoon: is there a reason why you use DateTime in sale.opportunity?15:16
cedksharoon: will a Date not enough?15:16
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sharooncedk: date time is important if we have something like a web form submitting information to know when exactly the lead was generated15:55
cedksharoon: I look at sugarcrm and they use date15:57
cedksharoon: for which purpose will it be important?15:57
sharooncedk: data mining!15:57
cedksharoon: data mining is about average15:58
sharooncedk: yeh i think time factor may not be that important15:58
cedksharoon: I don't see business where time will be a possible factor15:59
sharooncedk: ok15:59
cedksharoon: it will require a business where you can react by hour or minutes instead of days15:59
cedksharoon: an other question, why did not you show all the fields in history?16:00
sharooncedk: actually it is the transition of states which is considered important16:01
sharooncedk: so it may be missing fields because my customer did not consider it important16:01
sharooncedk: so on a generic purpose i think more fields are reqd16:01
cedksharoon: ok16:03
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