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| 2010-11-10 10:27 <cedk> Timitos: my account is activated | ||
| 2010-11-10 10:30 <Timitos> cedk: ok. i added you to the project | ||
| 2010-11-10 10:33 <cedk> Timitos: thx | ||
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| 2010-11-10 11:06 <gordon_geeko> quick question: any plan for adding a groupby function for views? | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:06 <cedk> gordon_geeko: no why? | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:07 <gordon_geeko> its a good feature to have in a view, no? | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:07 <gordon_geeko> for when you have lots of data | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:07 <cedk> gordon_geeko: I don't think | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:08 <cedk> gordon_geeko: I don't understand why it is good in this case | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:08 <gordon_geeko> say you have a multicompany situation, you'd like to get results per company | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:09 <cedk> gordon_geeko: which results? | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:10 <cedk> gordon_geeko: in fact we already have this with a tree view | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:10 <gordon_geeko> oh, ok... i just started looking at it | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:13 <cedk> gordon_geeko: and also the implementation of OE is really dirty | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:17 <cedk> but if someone comes with a clear and clean concept, we are opened to discussion | ||
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| 2010-11-10 11:24 <cedk> I would prefer to improve the read method to get a syntax closer to SQL | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:25 <cedk> gordon_geeko: more over, the group_by doesn't work per example if you got number linked to a unit | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:25 <cedk> gordon_geeko: like quantity on stock move etc. | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:25 <cedk> gordon_geeko: you will get a sum that has no meaning | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:26 <cedk> gordon_geeko: or like summing sale order with different currencies | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:28 <cedk> so as you see it will bring a lot of issue and question from the end user | ||
| 2010-11-10 11:28 <cedk> but we can achieve the same result but writing an Model that make the correct compution of grouping | ||
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| 2010-11-10 12:11 <gordon_geeko> cedk: i see your points, i'm at the stage of considering switching from OE | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:12 <gordon_geeko> to convince management, i'd need to have clear what would be missing in terms of features | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:13 <cedk> gordon_geeko: we work in a difference way than OE, we don't try to make development to get a new but ugly feature | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:13 <gordon_geeko> we're right in the middle of a fairly important project, so this is not easy | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:13 <cedk> gordon_geeko: what are your requirements? | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:13 <gordon_geeko> cedk: this is exactly the reason that attracted me | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:14 <gordon_geeko> an important one is a web interface at some point | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:16 <cedk> gordon_geeko: what is the purpose of the web interface? | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:16 <gordon_geeko> cedk: to avoid having to install/update clients | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:17 <gordon_geeko> ... and for consistency - future apps in the company will be web-based | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:18 <cedk> gordon_geeko: I realy think the install/update is not a real issue | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:18 <cedk> gordon_geeko: in company there is always mail client, browser etc. that needs to be installed/updated | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:19 <cedk> gordon_geeko: so the Tryton client should go in the same pipe | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:19 <gordon_geeko> cedk: perhaps, but i'm talking about 100's of clients | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:20 <cedk> gordon_geeko: the thin client will always be more user friendly and faster encodeing than a web site | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:20 <cedk> gordon_geeko: the size is not an issue | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:20 <cedk> gordon_geeko: especially with large number of clients, you must have those kind of stuffs already in place by the network admins | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:21 <gordon_geeko> cedk: with linux it's not an issue i agree, i don't know windows | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:21 <gordon_geeko> cedk: ... and happy to keep it that way | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:22 <cedk> gordon_geeko: in every large windows network, I saw, there was scripts to deploy/update application | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:22 <cedk> gordon_geeko: without that the network admins are completly overloaded | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:23 <cedk> gordon_geeko: the web app way can not be justify by this because you still need a client app on the client workstation which is a web browser | ||
| 2010-11-10 12:23 <cedk> ACTION bbl | ||
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| 2010-11-10 14:03 <gordon_geeko> is there an equivalent of OE "attrs" method of setting view attributes dynamically? | ||
| 2010-11-10 14:08 <gordon_geeko> Equal/Get methods i'm guessing | ||
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| 2010-11-10 14:27 <gordon_geeko> print form doesn't do pdf? | ||
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| 2010-11-10 14:42 <kingsnake> hi, is possible to generate form views based on dynamic key/value properties? | ||
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| 2010-11-10 14:57 <pheller> gordon_geeko: You can generate pdf's, but you'll need openoffice with python bindings to do it. There is some potential for using openoffice in headless server mode to make the process a little more scalable. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:00 <gordon_geeko> pheller: thx, i kind of liked the print-screen function in OE to display the form in pdf | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:00 <gordon_geeko> but i understand that this module is not GPL | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:00 <pheller> gordon_geeko: oh I understand (it has been awhile since I've used OE) | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:01 <gordon_geeko> pheller: what made you change ;) | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:01 <gordon_geeko> ... switch to tryton that is | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:02 <pheller> gordon_geeko: well, I haven't gone to production with any projects based on either, yet. I'm still mostly just an enthusiast, but I do have a few things in the planning stage. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:02 <pheller> gordon_geeko: what made me change was a very specific bug. I proposed a merge with a complete fix for the bug. OE implemented their own vision of a bug fix, which wasn't a fix at all. I complained. | ||
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| 2010-11-10 15:03 <pheller> gordon_geeko: bug went unfixed, is still unfixed, and they just closed it as wont_fix or similar, because it's in 5.0. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:03 <pheller> gordon_geeko: so much for "community". I guess you're only a part of the "community" if you've paid them for a partner contract. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:03 <gordon_geeko> pheller: ic, they don't seem too cooperative with the community then | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:04 <pheller> gordon_geeko: contrast that to Tryton, where I have been welcomed. I helped convert probably 1/4 of the modules for the Transaction manager change, fixed another 2 or 3 bugs, and submitted improvements for the Mac client. All reviewed via rietveld, accepted, and released in 1.8. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:05 <gordon_geeko> pheller: i like the code review approach | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:05 <gordon_geeko> ... seems to be lacking in OE | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:06 <pheller> gordon_geeko: it's quite good. And, cedk is always reviewing as if he is a human manifestation of "pylint". :-) | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:06 <gordon_geeko> LOL | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:07 <pheller> gordon_geeko: but it's good. the style is pretty consistent, and there is excellent direction here. The biggest problem for Tryton as a project is probably that people shy away from it because it doesn't have the module coverage or web client that OE has. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:07 <pheller> gordon_geeko: but things will come in time | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:08 <gordon_geeko> pheller: i've got a fairly big project that started in OE but i'm not happy about the quality | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:09 <gordon_geeko> so i'm seriously trying to push for a switch to tryton | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:10 <gordon_geeko> this is a project from scratch, just using the framework so lack of modules is no issue | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:10 <pheller> gordon_geeko: ah ha. what industry? | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:10 <gordon_geeko> pheller: retail | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:11 <gordon_geeko> pheller: not a full-blown erp - mainly accounting | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:11 <pheller> gordon_geeko: so you will not use any modules beyond the base install modules? | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:11 <gordon_geeko> pheller: exactly... | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:12 <pheller> gordon_geeko: is it not possible to adapt the existing modules? | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:12 <gordon_geeko> pheller: no, the needs are totally different | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:14 <pheller> gordon_geeko: ok. I only ask because making modules public, when possible, gains you the advantage that other people will review the code, possibly use the module, and you gain from community support. The negative side being the hurdle to acceptance, and the community timeframe. | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:14 <pheller> gordon_geeko: but I understand. | ||
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| 2010-11-10 15:25 <gordon_geeko> pheller: one concern here is professional support and development resources | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:35 <kingsnake> i would like to see tryton go into the direction like a web framework where everybody builds his own thing and where it's the framework itself that get built upon | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:36 <kingsnake> i say that because i was following your discussion a bit | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:38 <bechamel> kingsnake: IMO tryton is more a framework than an ERP | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:38 <kingsnake> yes definately | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:39 <kingsnake> that's what i like about it | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:39 <bechamel> actually one of the first thing whe have done when forking oerp, it's removing business concept from the core (mainly base/partner module) | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:41 <bechamel> as cedk told me, it's a meta-erp: it allows to create differents ERP :) | ||
| 2010-11-10 15:41 <gordon_geeko> :q | ||
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| 2010-11-10 15:48 <pheller> I agree, Tryton should be totally severable from the modules..... I think Neso should implement something that is comparable to quickbooks -- usable out of the box for small business. And, I think the full blown ERP packages (including some manufacturing at some point) really are to demonstrate the Tryton framework.... | ||
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| 2010-11-10 15:52 <bechamel> kingsnake: about the dynamic view, it's not documented but it's doable with the method fields_view_get which is defined in model/modelview.py and there an example of overloading in account/move.py (line 1171) | ||
| 2010-11-10 16:00 <kingsnake> thank you i'm gonna look into that | ||
| 2010-11-10 16:02 <bechamel> kingsnake: so it's basicaly creating on the fly the xml of the view | ||
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| 2010-11-10 17:00 <cedk> bechamel: there is also the key/value from sharoon | ||
| 2010-11-10 17:02 <cedk> http://codereview.appspot.com/1961043/ | ||
| 2010-11-10 17:04 <bechamel> cedk: yes, I forgot it | ||
| 2010-11-10 17:05 <cedk> bechamel, sharoon: I don't know at which state the general implementation is | ||
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| 2010-11-10 22:10 <gordon_geeko> ne1 know the reason for having separate label elements in form? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:18 <udono> gordon_geeko: Hi, I do not understand your question | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:19 <gordon_geeko> udono: i'm evaluating tryton, comparing it to OE and just wondering what the thinking is for having separate labels instead of using the string in the field definition | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <udono> gordon_geeko: with this we are more flexible in layout | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <gordon_geeko> udono: what about translation? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <udono> gordon_geeko: We can do stuff like: | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <udono> Name [_________] | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <udono> Name | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:20 <udono> [____________] | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:21 <udono> gordon_geeko: translation is very wonderful in tryton I find. | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:21 <gordon_geeko> udono: makes sense.... :) | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:22 <udono> You can translate everything the user can see. views, reports, content | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:23 <udono> gordon_geeko: and a german user can write invoices to english company completely in English language... | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:24 <udono> ... report is created depending on the language of the party addressee | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:24 <gordon_geeko> udono: so far i really like what i've seen | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:25 <gordon_geeko> i need to build my case for going with what i think is quality-wise much better than OE | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:27 <gordon_geeko> are companies integrating this in production environments? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:28 <udono> gordon_geeko: yes, of course | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:30 <gordon_geeko> udono: would it be possible to find developers on the short term you think? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:32 <gordon_geeko> i'm trying to get an idea of the ecosystem so to speak, with regard to tryton | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:33 <udono> gordon_geeko: yes, I think you will find. Just ask your question to the mailing list or if you prefer self-proclaimed experts ;-) show here: http://www.tryton.org/services.html | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:34 <udono> gordon_geeko: What ecosystem? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:34 <gordon_geeko> udono: support, services | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:36 <udono> gordon_geeko: Ah, ok, that's easy. This all is done in free individual contracts between you and the consultant you choose. | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:38 <gordon_geeko> udono: i'll make some calls tomorrow, thx for the link | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:38 <udono> gordon_geeko: welcome | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:46 <cedk> gordon_geeko: we (B2CK) sale support contract for devs http://www.b2ck.com/tryton_services.html | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:49 <gordon_geeko> cedk: i'd like to discuss my project with you, perhaps i can call you tomorrow? | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:52 <cedk> gordon_geeko: no problem | ||
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| 2010-11-10 22:53 <gordon_geeko> cedk: excellent! | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:54 <cedk> gordon_geeko: not to early :-) | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:55 <cedk> s/to/too/ | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:55 <gordon_geeko> cedk: no worries ;) | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:55 <cedk> gordon_geeko: it can be done with sip or skype if you want | ||
| 2010-11-10 22:57 <gordon_geeko> cedk: i'll call from the office, so it's not on my dime :-) | ||
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| 2010-11-10 23:00 <cedk> gordon_geeko: the phone number on the website is for a mobile so the sound could be not hi-fi | ||
| 2010-11-10 23:01 <cedk> gordon_geeko: by the way, do you speak french? | ||
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| 2010-11-10 23:25 <gordon_geeko> cedk: i don't speak french unfortunately | ||
| 2010-11-10 23:26 <gordon_geeko> cedk: i'll see if i can setup the sound to use skype, last time i tried it wasn't working | ||
| 2010-11-10 23:28 <gordon_geeko> cedk: is dutch an option? | ||
| 2010-11-10 23:30 <cedk> gordon_geeko: no | ||
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