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| 2011-08-23 00:29 <meanmicio> cedk: ok. Once I'm done with the translation, I will investigate also. | ||
| 2011-08-23 00:44 <rhubner> Hi cedk! | ||
| 2011-08-23 00:45 <rhubner> cedk: Happy birthday :) | ||
| 2011-08-23 00:50 <rhubner> cedk: (If it is your birthday yet) Here is 19:50 | ||
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| 2011-08-23 08:06 <ndn_pit> hello | ||
| 2011-08-23 08:07 <ndn_pit> What other widgets are used in form view? | ||
| 2011-08-23 08:08 <ndn_pit> I know only "selection" | ||
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| 2011-08-23 08:13 <ndn_pit> is it really tryton's irc channel where I can ask about tryton? | ||
| 2011-08-23 08:20 <plantian> ndn_pit: yes | ||
| 2011-08-23 08:20 <plantian> better time is in hour or two though because most developers are in European time zone | ||
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| 2011-08-23 09:19 <ndn_pit> good morning ) | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:40 <ndn_pit> cedk: about selection field: the problem was, because of - selection value must be string type | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:42 <cedk> ndn_pit: ho yes | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:45 <ndn_pit> cedk: I wanted create "year" field, and I did it like: year = fields.Integer('Year'), but saved value displays like: 2 011... how can I rid of space? | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:50 <cedk> ndn_pit: change the grouping of your language | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:52 <ndn_pit> cedk: in tryton? how can i do that? | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:53 <cedk> ndn_pit: Admin>Localization>Languages | ||
| 2011-08-23 09:59 <ndn_pit> but in other Integer fields i want thousands separator... | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:00 <cedk> ndn_pit: so you can't | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:00 <cedk> ndn_pit: or use a Char fields with validation | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:00 <ndn_pit> ok | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:01 <ndn_pit> can i set mask on field? | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:02 <cedk> ndn_pit: no | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:03 <ndn_pit> what widgets can i use in form view except "selection"? | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:03 <ndn_pit> can you list all of them? | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:05 <cedk> ndn_pit: look at trytond/ir/ui/form.rnc | ||
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| 2011-08-23 10:52 <ndn_pit> is there way to use widget like "limit" in advanced search | ||
| 2011-08-23 10:55 <cedk> ndn_pit: no | ||
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| 2011-08-23 11:31 <cedk> ndn_pit: what are you desiging? Because most of the time when you want just year field it is a bad design | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:31 <ndn_pit> I think so too | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:32 <ndn_pit> i wanted to create model for months | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:33 <cedk> ndn_pit: what is the purpose? | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:36 <ndn_pit> in our country attendance of employee is monitors by tabel (or stuff record cards - translate) | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:37 <ndn_pit> tabel is 30 days in which tabel-man must show attendace of certain employee in current month | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:38 <cedk> ndn_pit: did you look at timesheet? | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:38 <ndn_pit> salary is calculates by tabel | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:39 <ndn_pit> I didn't understand some modules as timesheet too, because there is no user documentation | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:40 <cedk> ndn_pit: http://doc.tryton.org/2.0/modules/timesheet/doc/index.html | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:44 <ndn_pit> thanks i will see | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:52 <ndn_pit> cedk: I think its useful for project or porject-plan module, but not for salary (account module) | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:54 <cedk> ndn_pit: so I'm not sure to understand what kind of information you want to store? | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:58 <ndn_pit> tabel stores information about attendance of employee like: | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:58 <ndn_pit> 01.01.2011, Monday, were present | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:58 <ndn_pit> 02.01.2011, Tuesday, were present | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:59 <ndn_pit> 03.01.2011, Tuesday, were not present | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:59 <ndn_pit> etc... until 31.01.2011 | ||
| 2011-08-23 11:59 <ndn_pit> i mean it's table | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:00 <ndn_pit> for monitoring | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:00 <cedk> ndn_pit: so you just need a DateTime field | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:01 <ndn_pit> table like this creates every month for every employee | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:01 <ndn_pit> so i wanted create some model for months | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:01 <cedk> ndn_pit: why do you want to create a table every month? | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:02 <ndn_pit> for monitoring... :) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:02 <ndn_pit> "why do you want" i don't want, i must because of low of our country | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:02 <cedk> ndn_pit: that is completly against any database design | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:03 <ndn_pit> russia is also uses tabels | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:03 <cedk> ndn_pit: I never trust anybody who says the law force me to design this way | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:03 <cedk> ndn_pit: the law never talks about databases | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:05 <ndn_pit> for example: some people will ask me why you pay "x" money to "y" employee, i should show him tabel and justify my act | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:06 <ndn_pit> sorry for my English ) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:06 <cedk> ndn_pit: yes it is just: SELECT FROM table WHERE employee = x AND date > 'YYYY-MM-DD' and date < 'YYYY-MM-DD' | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:07 <ndn_pit> agree | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:07 <ndn_pit> but | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:07 <cedk> ndn_pit: we are in a SQL world in Tryton | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:07 <ndn_pit> what is difference between your way and my? | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:07 <ndn_pit> ia just grouped data | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:08 <cedk> ndn_pit: because I will not create thousand of tables | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:08 <cedk> ndn_pit: and what about if someone ask you about 2 months? | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:09 <ndn_pit> i will not create many tables | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:09 <ndn_pit> i will create records | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:09 <cedk> ndn_pit: also with my design, you can have also the sum for a year per example | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:09 <cedk> < ndn_pit> table like this creates every month for every employee | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:09 <ndn_pit> listen, wait minute i will explain | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:16 <ndn_pit> thereis tables: months(month, year, emplyees(rel. with employees table)), tabel(employee ,months, days(1..30)) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:16 <ndn_pit> every months i will create new month(record) in months-table and create 10 records(for example) in employees field, and for every employee i will create 30 days(records) in tabel-table | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:16 <ndn_pit> in tryton it will be: months-model -> employees -> tabels -> days | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:17 <ndn_pit> understood? | ||
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| 2011-08-23 12:20 <ndn_pit> if i need report for year i can do it by sql select ) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:21 <cedk> ndn_pit: ok but sorry to tell you that I find your design uggly | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:22 <ndn_pit> you didn't tell me that as i remember... | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:22 <cedk> ndn_pit: I don't see why you need to create months because months are known for all the time | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:24 <ndn_pit> for example year passed and you want new tabel (1-30 days), but there 265 days of prev year and it difficult work in 1 big table | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:25 <ndn_pit> i mean it will be easy to work in grouped data | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:26 <cedk> ndn_pit: don't understand | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:27 <ndn_pit> every month i must create 30 records for every employee.. how should i do that in your way? | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:28 <ndn_pit> if i create one table (year, month, day, employee, attendace) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:28 <cedk> ndn_pit: creating automatic records doesn't create information | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:29 <cedk> ndn_pit: it is not a table like that, I say you must use a table: (date, employee, attendance) | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:29 <cedk> ndn_pit: SQL has a type Date | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:31 <ndn_pit> no no... that records will creates one people from every department for his department, but not me, and hr-manager send result to account-manager | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:33 <cedk> ndn_pit: so I why do you want to split date into something not workable | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:35 <ndn_pit> ok how you plan gather information about attendance of each employee? | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:35 <ndn_pit> in models topology | ||
| 2011-08-23 12:36 <cedk> ndn_pit: and you? | ||
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| 2011-08-23 13:45 <ndn_pit> cedk: can i set domain condition for fields.Integer? | ||
| 2011-08-23 13:46 <ndn_pit> cedk: or for fields.Date? | ||
| 2011-08-23 13:46 <cedk> ndn_pit: not yet | ||
| 2011-08-23 13:46 <cedk> ndn_pit: but it is in the plan | ||
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| 2011-08-23 22:40 <version2beta> cedk: I was moving my blog post on the OpenERP license change to a new domain, and was checking links. I had linked to source code to netsvc.py showing you held copyright for some of the code. Your copyright is no longer there, but the revision note describes why it was removed. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-server/trunk/revision/3485 | ||
| 2011-08-23 22:40 <version2beta> cedk: This is one file, of course. If you don't mind me asking, do you still own copyright to OpenERP code? | ||
| 2011-08-23 22:41 <version2beta> cedk: (I assume the revision note is legit.) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:03 <cedk> version2beta: on some parts | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:03 <cedk> version2beta: in the client and some modules | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:04 <cedk> version2beta: for the server I don't know | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:05 <version2beta> cedk: Thank you. I found this post from Olivier as well - http://www.openerp.com/forum/topic26369-30.html#p87266 - and want to make sure my post is accurate, so I'll create an update. I just wanted to make sure that, if what I had posted before had been corrected between you and them, that I am not providing incorrect information. | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:05 <cedk> version2beta: the main issue for OE, is that their developpers make copy/paste of code without caring about copyright | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:06 <cedk> version2beta: I asked to Olivier that they do a code auditing before changing their license | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:07 <cedk> version2beta: he tells me that they did it but it was before the removing of the copyright notice | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:07 <version2beta> cedk: I completely understand, and their coding standards have certainly been lax. (Mine generally are too - but I'm the only coder in the company and I am trying to do better.) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:07 <cedk> version2beta: and they misses the client part and the modules base_vat, calendar | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:07 <version2beta> cedk: (Sorry, I suspect they are trying to do better too.) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:08 <version2beta> cedk: If there is code that you contest, then it seems Olivier's post is not correct? | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:08 <cedk> version2beta: I also ask them by email to remove from their offer (AGPL+exception) the client and the modules but I got no answer since 1 month | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:08 <version2beta> cedk: I don't wish to be an investigative journalist on this topic, I just want my blog post to be fair. | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:08 <cedk> version2beta: the one in the file netsvc.py was removed some times ago | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:09 <version2beta> cedk: Would you like me to discuss the client or base_vat and calendar in my update to the post? Here is the one I'm reworking: http://www.qmuxs.com/version2beta/2011/a-new-openerp-product-and-license/ | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:11 <version2beta> cedk: Again, I'm not looking for dirt. When I originally posted, I had the header for netsvc.py with your name and copyright in it. That's no longer the case, so I don't wish to present it that way. But neither would I want to quote Olivier's posting to the forum with the suggestion that all is well now, if in fact there are still contested areas. | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:13 <cedk> version2beta: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-client/trunk/view/head:/bin/widget/view/list.py#L6 | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:14 <cedk> version2beta: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/trunk/view/head:/base_vat/base_vat.py#L6 | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:14 <version2beta> cedk: Thank you. I will include that. Last time I posted on 6/28 and the code was updated in launchpad on 6/29, and Olivier's tweets made clear he was following the blog. Perhaps this time there will also be a response. | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:14 <cedk> version2beta: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/trunk/view/head:/document_webdav/webdav.py#L6 | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:15 <cedk> version2beta: this one is code from pywebdav (for which I'm also a dev) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:15 <cedk> version2beta: don't know why there is only Christian Scholz in the header | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:16 <cedk> version2beta: that's all I know about it but I did not make a code audit :-) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:18 <version2beta> cedk: I'll tweet when I'm done moving my blog onto the new domain. (Old domain, just wasn't using it before.) I will specifically mention the updates to this post. Thank you. | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:18 <cedk> version2beta: welcome | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:19 <cedk> version2beta: I think it is good that you push an update to thig topic because after big drama every things go into the silent without any changes from OE | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:20 <version2beta> cedk: I'm glad you think so. Sometimes people wish for conflict to go away, even unresolved, even when they are caught up in it. The person bringing it back can be unpopular ;-) | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:22 <cedk> version2beta: I think it will come back soon or later | ||
| 2011-08-23 23:22 <cedk> version2beta: and if it is later it will bring more trouble to the all OE community |
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