IRC logs of #tryton for Saturday, 2009-02-07 #tryton log beginning Sat Feb 7 00:00:01 CET 2009
2009-02-07 00:08 <vengfulsquirrel> Is there a way to use products_by_location to get a summarized count of a list of products at a warehoues? Like a stock check ? Or is it best to get a list of all product id/location id pairs and add them manually ?
2009-02-07 00:20 <vengfulsquirrel> nevermind, ackk, I was passing a flag in context instead of directly
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2009-02-07 02:26 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: hi
2009-02-07 02:26 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: hey
2009-02-07 02:27 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: I would appreciate a lot, if you could some comment to
2009-02-07 02:28 <yangoon> s/could/could post/
2009-02-07 02:30 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: I would like to hear the experience of native english speakers with the overall appearence of the app, especially informational or error messages.
2009-02-07 02:31 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: I have the impression, there could be done some refinement.
2009-02-07 02:34 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah ha I never prided myself on my ability to speak English but there are some irregularities here and there in the app.
2009-02-07 02:35 <vengfulsquirrel> Are you introducing Pick List, Pack List and Delivery Note as alternatives or just as examples of "Packings" ?
2009-02-07 02:36 <yangoon> those are documents needed for different purposes
2009-02-07 02:36 <vengfulsquirrel> Oh wait maybe that's this line: "The current usage of Packing List in Tryton uses and serves a part of all purposes resp. documents without serving one completely."
2009-02-07 02:36 <yangoon> and I think we have to decide, which one shall be the current packing list
2009-02-07 02:37 <yangoon> yes, exactl
2009-02-07 02:37 <yangoon> y
2009-02-07 02:38 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: what do you think in general about the term "packing"?
2009-02-07 02:39 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: is it a current term for what it is used in tryton?
2009-02-07 02:39 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah I have to review it but I want to say that the word packing itself isn't bad to refer to the entire group of things but that better words could be used to describe how they are used in each case.
2009-02-07 02:39 <yangoon> ok
2009-02-07 02:43 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: so thx for your input, have to sleep now, bye
2009-02-07 02:43 <vengfulsquirrel> yangoon: oh yeah I'll post something this weekend after I read more about it
2009-02-07 02:43 <vengfulsquirrel> and maybe talk to you tomorrow about it, gn
2009-02-07 02:44 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: yes, thx a lot, cu
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2009-02-07 13:57 <cristi_an> Timitos: do you now id the stock module
2009-02-07 13:57 <cristi_an> permits to see the stocks at any date in the past
2009-02-07 13:58 <cristi_an> asume if i want to see how the stock looked like 2 weeks ago
2009-02-07 13:58 <cristi_an> and all movements that a product has in a period of time
2009-02-07 13:59 <cristi_an> or udono if you knoe this, anyone who know is welcome to answer
2009-02-07 14:20 <Timitos> cristi_an: yes you can see the stock at any date in the past
2009-02-07 14:20 <cristi_an> nice !
2009-02-07 14:21 <cristi_an> for all products ? or i have to choose one to see the quantitiy it had
2009-02-07 14:21 <cristi_an> that time
2009-02-07 14:22 <Timitos> cristi_an: but i am not sure about the movements for a specific period. but i think this should be possible too. but perhaps for this a customization is possible
2009-02-07 14:23 <Timitos> cristi_an: you can test this on demo. if you click on locations in inventory management and then click on a location. there you can define the date. all products that have a stock value for this location will be displayed then
2009-02-07 14:24 <cristi_an> k.
2009-02-07 14:24 <cristi_an> i will do that
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2009-02-07 15:41 <johbo> doest anybody know if there is some documentation or an example out there on the net how to customize / replace invoice.odt or other template in "the right way"?
2009-02-07 16:13 <carlos> johbo: I don't think so
2009-02-07 16:13 <carlos> however, I talked with cedk about it two days ago
2009-02-07 16:13 <carlos> johbo:
2009-02-07 16:15 <johbo> carlos: thanks for the link :-)
2009-02-07 16:16 <carlos> you are welcome
2009-02-07 16:16 <johbo> I am doing my fist experiments with the templates now by simply overriding them
2009-02-07 16:18 <carlos> I didn't try it yet, but I saw the upload form
2009-02-07 16:18 <carlos> so it should work :-P
2009-02-07 16:19 <johbo> yes, i found it - will try it later
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2009-02-07 19:41 <carlos> Timitos: hi, are you around?
2009-02-07 19:41 <Timitos> carlos: hi
2009-02-07 19:41 <carlos> Timitos: hi, I'm 'fighting' with taxes and I wonder whether you know anything to cover a special case we have in Spain
2009-02-07 19:42 <carlos> we have a tax that is only paid by some people that is a surcharge of the regular vat tax
2009-02-07 19:43 <carlos> so in general, such customer tells me that he's supposed to pay such tax and all the invoices should have regular vat + an extra tax
2009-02-07 19:44 <carlos> the extra tax depends on the percentage of VAT applied to the product
2009-02-07 19:45 <Timitos> carlos: so the tax is computed as a percentage of the vat tax amount, right?
2009-02-07 19:45 <carlos> not exactly
2009-02-07 19:46 <carlos> 4% of vat is 0,5% extra
2009-02-07 19:46 <carlos> 7% of vat is 1% extra
2009-02-07 19:46 <carlos> and 16% of vat is 4% extra
2009-02-07 19:46 <carlos> I guess you could represent it as a computed percentage...
2009-02-07 19:48 <carlos> hmm... but the percentage is going to be different for each vat entry, so, no, it's not a computed percentage of the vat amount
2009-02-07 19:48 <Timitos> carlos: it could be done with child taxes i think. but there is for special cases a problem
2009-02-07 19:49 <carlos> so I should create an child
2009-02-07 19:49 <carlos> ?
2009-02-07 19:49 <Timitos> yes
2009-02-07 19:49 <carlos> but how do I select when it's used or not?
2009-02-07 19:49 <Timitos> carlos: i donĀ“t know where to start to explain. the topic is complex :-)
2009-02-07 19:50 <Timitos> carlos: this is one the problems. you cannot
2009-02-07 19:50 <Timitos> you cannot select whether the child should be used or not
2009-02-07 19:50 <carlos> I expect some code development involved
2009-02-07 19:51 <carlos> Timitos: so if I have an and apply it to a product
2009-02-07 19:51 <Timitos> carlos: but this problem is a base problem with the way how taxes are selected for invoices
2009-02-07 19:51 <carlos> all its children will be applied too?
2009-02-07 19:51 <Timitos> carlos: yes. right
2009-02-07 19:51 <carlos> ok, that's a good start point
2009-02-07 19:51 <Timitos> we have also cases in germany where the way to select the taxes in tryton is not very good.
2009-02-07 19:52 <carlos> Timitos: thanks, I'm going to investigate a bit more the code to see whether I see an easy way to implement this use case
2009-02-07 19:52 <Timitos> carlos: i am thinking of a solution for this for a long time
2009-02-07 19:52 <carlos> but is it also related with the party involved?
2009-02-07 19:52 <carlos> like the case I just explained
2009-02-07 19:52 <Timitos> i startet to create a prototype. its ugly code, but for testing it is working
2009-02-07 19:53 <carlos> Timitos: any code is welcomed, I could help improving it
2009-02-07 19:53 <carlos> at least trying to improve it :-P
2009-02-07 19:53 <Timitos> carlos: look at
2009-02-07 19:54 <Timitos> carlos: it really needs improvement as i had not enough time to make it the right way. it was rapid prototyping
2009-02-07 19:54 <Timitos> carlos: i am not sure if it is working with dev-version in the moment
2009-02-07 19:54 <carlos> don't worry I will not blame you for that :-P
2009-02-07 19:54 <Timitos> :-)
2009-02-07 19:54 <carlos> I'm still working with the stable version
2009-02-07 19:54 <carlos> so that shouldn't be a problem
2009-02-07 19:55 <Timitos> i tried to create a module that can select taxes by complex queries. like a firewall
2009-02-07 19:55 <Timitos> it should take the first entry which matches the case
2009-02-07 19:57 <Timitos> carlos: it was an approach to create a module that can handle european vat law
2009-02-07 19:57 <carlos> so you are also trying to solve another problem I didn't start to look at, the intrastat selling/buying with UE VAT numbers...
2009-02-07 19:57 <carlos> yeah
2009-02-07 19:57 <carlos> I just saw that
2009-02-07 19:59 <carlos> Timitos: I'm not sure whether that's the approach you are taking, but I see this problem just like a pricelist per party but for taxes
2009-02-07 20:00 <Timitos> carlos: something like this. yes. but its more complex as taxes selection dependes on many attributes of the individual case.
2009-02-07 20:01 <Timitos> like: in which country is the customer, in which country is the company, where starts the delivery, where ends the delivery and so on....
2009-02-07 20:11 <carlos> Timitos: do you mean that you want to support Customs taxes too?
2009-02-07 20:11 <Timitos> carlos: what do you mean with customs taxes?
2009-02-07 20:11 <carlos> or is just that vat is different in Germany depending on the country where it's delievered? (outside the intra-states vat)
2009-02-07 20:12 <carlos> Timitos: for instance, the taxes you pay for importing a good from China, Japan, USA, etc...
2009-02-07 20:13 <Timitos> carlos: yes. i think it is possible to handle other taxes with this solution too. but this needs a good concept. i had only some ideas for now.
2009-02-07 20:13 <carlos> yeah, cover all thoses cases would be quite complicate
2009-02-07 20:14 <carlos> at least in Spain, you don't know the tax until you get the goods
2009-02-07 20:14 <carlos> it depends on who reviews it
2009-02-07 20:15 <Timitos> carlos: something like this is already possible with my approach.
2009-02-07 20:15 <Timitos> carlos: there is another advantage: you can set a tax account for every case
2009-02-07 20:16 <carlos> did you discuss this with the b2ck guys?
2009-02-07 20:16 <carlos> getting something like that ready for 1.2 would be wonderful
2009-02-07 20:18 <Timitos> carlos: yes. they are interested in this topic. but it is not planned for 1.2. there is not enough time for that. but i hope it will come before 1.4 which is planned for autumn this year
2009-02-07 20:19 <carlos> hmm, well, in the mean time, I guess we could live with a workaround
2009-02-07 20:19 <Timitos> carlos: but you are not the only one wishing this solution. yangoon is waiting for this too. so i will try to develop this soon.
2009-02-07 20:20 <Timitos> carlos: if you take a look at the tax_system module and give me some feedback it would be helpful
2009-02-07 20:22 <carlos> count with that
2009-02-07 20:23 <Timitos> great
2009-02-07 20:24 <carlos> we should integrate that code with the UE website to validate valid UE vat numbers
2009-02-07 20:25 <carlos> that would rock
2009-02-07 20:27 <carlos> Timitos: so you have limits on deliveries ?
2009-02-07 20:27 <carlos> ACTION talks about del_threshold
2009-02-07 20:28 <Timitos> carlos: this is a special case of european vat law. if somebody sells more than 2 million eur in a specific country in europe it has to pay vat in this specific country in special cases.
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2009-02-07 20:29 <carlos> Timitos: oh, I didn't know that
2009-02-07 20:29 <carlos> cedk: hey! how's FOSDEM?
2009-02-07 20:40 <Timitos> afk
2009-02-07 20:40 <cedk> carlos: very well
2009-02-07 20:40 <cedk> carlos: we see the postgres talks
2009-02-07 20:41 <cedk> postgres begin to be very great
2009-02-07 20:41 <carlos> ACTION always loved postgres
2009-02-07 20:41 <carlos> nice
2009-02-07 20:41 <cedk> carlos: it was about replication
2009-02-07 20:41 <cedk> it will be in the next release
2009-02-07 20:42 <cedk> and the function will be better than what there is in Oracle
2009-02-07 20:42 <carlos> yeah, I read about the 8.4 replication capabilities
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