IRC logs of #tryton for Thursday, 2010-03-25 #tryton log beginning Thu Mar 25 00:00:02 CET 2010
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2010-03-25 08:27 <cedk> sharoon: do you do good travel?
2010-03-25 08:27 <sharoon> cedk: it was good
2010-03-25 08:27 <sharoon> cedk: now in london :) thanks
2010-03-25 08:28 <cedk> sharoon: not yet at Manchester
2010-03-25 08:28 <sharoon> cedk: no this week i am in London for another programme
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2010-03-25 09:03 <oiaohm> Big thing I am having headaches with is trying to find a system that will work well with items only intermitely networked.
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2010-03-25 10:01 <cedk> oiaohm: can you explain a little bit more
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2010-03-25 10:54 <oiaohm> cedk: like laptops in field coming back to main network.
2010-03-25 10:54 <oiaohm> It would be handy of the laptops could basically cache up data to be returned to the main server when they get back.
2010-03-25 10:56 <cedk> oiaohm: this is *really* hard to do
2010-03-25 10:56 <cedk> oiaohm: and doesn't work in a transaction software
2010-03-25 10:57 <oiaohm> Most key thing would be like prep work on invovices and the like.
2010-03-25 10:57 <cedk> oiaohm: I don't understand
2010-03-25 10:58 <cedk> oiaohm: what the environment constraints?
2010-03-25 10:58 <cedk> oiaohm: why having an asynchronous communication?
2010-03-25 11:01 <oiaohm> I work as mobile tech. Where I am may have no network coverage. So either I have to record notes in laptop and enter them latter into the accountancy package. Or find someway that I can enter the information that I would other wise type agian when I get back to the office.
2010-03-25 11:02 <cedk> oiaohm: you must write a custom script that will do it for you
2010-03-25 11:02 <oiaohm> Even as a tech I am limited how I can use clients networks as well.
2010-03-25 11:02 <oiaohm> That is what I am coming down to. cedk
2010-03-25 11:03 <oiaohm> Or maybe alter site to allow like offline storage in webbrowsers to cache the information.
2010-03-25 11:04 <oiaohm> Of course I am aware invoice numbers and the like cannot be done in field. But I see no reason why all information that will be put on a invoice cannot be.
2010-03-25 11:05 <cedk> oiaohm: the main issue is that tryton uses a relational database
2010-03-25 11:07 <oiaohm> I am not expecting 100 percent functional not connected. cedk
2010-03-25 11:09 <oiaohm> Like when I am going out on jobs I would most likely know the clients before I leave. Even if I had to enter something like that when I got back would not be a major issue. The issue is recording what was done to build the invoice without forgetting anything.
2010-03-25 11:10 <cedk> oiaohm: just a formatted file, that will be uploaded latter
2010-03-25 11:10 <cedk> oiaohm: like an excel sheet
2010-03-25 11:11 <oiaohm> Now that is fine for me. Others I would not trust them to create stuff like that themselves.
2010-03-25 11:12 <cedk> oiaohm: I don't understand
2010-03-25 11:14 <oiaohm> If I can I want the interfaces for connected and not connected entry to be as close as possible. So that when they connect the laptop back to the main network they get reminded they have involices to submit.
2010-03-25 11:14 <oiaohm> Ie reduce the risk of lost paper work cedk
2010-03-25 11:15 <cedk> oiaohm: I think this is a very *long* work
2010-03-25 11:16 <oiaohm> I did not say what I was looking for was simple.
2010-03-25 11:17 <oiaohm> And I guess the reason why no systems are doing it. Is that there is a lot of planing and the like to make it work.
2010-03-25 11:17 <cedk> oiaohm: I think it will be simplier to start from a non-relation database
2010-03-25 11:19 <oiaohm> Do you know of any open source accountancy using non-relation database
2010-03-25 11:19 <cedk> oiaohm: I don't know any
2010-03-25 11:19 <cedk> oiaohm: I'm not sure this is possible to make
2010-03-25 11:20 <oiaohm> I have worked with pos's that made it work.
2010-03-25 11:20 <oiaohm> But there method had a fully local client/server
2010-03-25 11:21 <oiaohm> Basically cached all the required database sections like inventory items and the like.
2010-03-25 11:21 <cedk> oiaohm: POS is a another problem
2010-03-25 11:21 <cedk> oiaohm: POS don't edit existing stuff, they only create new
2010-03-25 11:21 <oiaohm> That is mostly want I need.
2010-03-25 11:21 <oiaohm> when I am field.
2010-03-25 11:22 <cedk> oiaohm: it is a separate application
2010-03-25 11:23 <oiaohm> Data from it has to get back to inventory and involiving.
2010-03-25 11:23 <oiaohm> So basically its built a bolt on part. cedk
2010-03-25 11:25 <cedk> oiaohm: we started a project, that requires collecting data offline
2010-03-25 11:25 <cedk> oiaohm: so we will write a wizard that will generate an SQLite database to be used in Neso
2010-03-25 11:25 <cedk> oiaohm: and after collection data in Neso, the user will upload the database to Tryton server
2010-03-25 11:26 <oiaohm> So there is basically a plan in this project to allow what I need.
2010-03-25 11:26 <cedk> oiaohm: and Tryton server will look at some Models that needs to be synchronised
2010-03-25 11:26 <cedk> oiaohm: but it is only custom stuff
2010-03-25 11:28 <oiaohm> So the wizard would download releated data like invitory lists.
2010-03-25 11:28 <oiaohm> So while not connected right entries can be formed in Neso.
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2010-03-25 11:29 <cedk> oiaohm: don't understand
2010-03-25 11:29 <oiaohm> I am just thinking how the pos's work.
2010-03-25 11:33 <oiaohm> They download items that should not change between server syncs. Like to make a invoice list of product items.
2010-03-25 11:35 <oiaohm> I still could end up with some form of sub server setup.
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2010-03-25 11:49 <oiaohm> cedk part of what I am asking for is coming from seeing a business lose over 100 thousand dollars from a vpn box failing. So leading to poorly designed pos and data systems no longer be avaible in any from anywhere bar main office.
2010-03-25 11:50 <oiaohm> There is a need once you go past a particular size to sub server anyhow.
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2010-03-25 15:16 <cedk> sharoon: is there a reason why you use DateTime in sale.opportunity?
2010-03-25 15:16 <cedk> sharoon: will a Date not enough?
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2010-03-25 15:55 <sharoon> cedk: date time is important if we have something like a web form submitting information to know when exactly the lead was generated
2010-03-25 15:57 <cedk> sharoon: I look at sugarcrm and they use date
2010-03-25 15:57 <cedk> sharoon: for which purpose will it be important?
2010-03-25 15:57 <sharoon> cedk: data mining!
2010-03-25 15:58 <cedk> sharoon: data mining is about average
2010-03-25 15:58 <sharoon> cedk: yeh i think time factor may not be that important
2010-03-25 15:59 <cedk> sharoon: I don't see business where time will be a possible factor
2010-03-25 15:59 <sharoon> cedk: ok
2010-03-25 15:59 <cedk> sharoon: it will require a business where you can react by hour or minutes instead of days
2010-03-25 16:00 <cedk> sharoon: an other question, why did not you show all the fields in history?
2010-03-25 16:01 <sharoon> cedk: actually it is the transition of states which is considered important
2010-03-25 16:01 <sharoon> cedk: so it may be missing fields because my customer did not consider it important
2010-03-25 16:01 <sharoon> cedk: so on a generic purpose i think more fields are reqd
2010-03-25 16:03 <cedk> sharoon: ok
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