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| cedk | what do you think about this new GUI design: http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/7 | 12:44 |
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| bechamel | cedk: nice, what about putting the button bar above the model title (IE just under the tabs) ? | 12:47 |
| cedk | bechamel: I find it is more logical to have tab with title and title close to each others | 12:48 |
| cedk | bechamel: and buttons close to search buttons | 12:48 |
| cedk | bechamel: I tried but it looks a little strange | 12:48 |
| cedk | bechamel: SyntaxError: "except Exception as e" | 12:50 |
| cedk | bechamel: there is still some people that uses Python 2.5 :-) | 12:50 |
| bechamel | cedk: ? | 12:51 |
| cedk | bechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.( | 12:52 |
| cedk | bechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.5 | 12:52 |
| cedk | bechamel: from http://www.b2ck.com/~bch/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/tryton_tdp/ | 12:52 |
| cedk | bechamel: itertools.product is only 2.6 | 12:52 |
| cedk | bechamel: AttributeError: 'property' object has no attribute 'setter' | 12:55 |
| cedk | bechamel: i will fix all those 2.5 issue and send you a patch | 12:55 |
| bechamel | cedk: ok | 12:55 |
| cedk | bechamel: I think default rec_name search should append % | 12:59 |
| bechamel | cedk: yes, I'm not sure which is better, what if I want an exact match ? | 13:01 |
| bechamel | cedk: it's easy for the user to add an extra % | 13:01 |
| cedk | bechamel: exact match with =... | 13:02 |
| cedk | bechamel: how can I make a = search instead of ilike? | 13:02 |
| bechamel | cedk: ok lets say default will append % at the end and =.. will be an exact mach (I will add it) | 13:04 |
| cedk | bechamel: yes and perhaps prepend % | 13:05 |
| bechamel | cedk: it will kill postgres perf, isn't it ? | 13:06 |
| cedk | bechamel: I think ilike operation should always at least one % | 13:06 |
| cedk | bechamel: perhaps for prepend | 13:06 |
| cedk | bechamel: but you should at least append % if there is no % in the string | 13:07 |
| cedk | ACTION bbl | 13:07 |
| bechamel | cedk: yes | 13:07 |
| yangoon | cedk: I am not really happy with http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/7 | 13:12 |
| yangoon | symbols are a subset of menu items, so belong rather to the menu | 13:13 |
| yangoon | additionaly you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons (you already removed the one for requests) | 13:14 |
| yangoon | if we could have 'sensitive' regions in the status bar to e.g. call form requests, I would be totally ok with this | 13:17 |
| yangoon | then I would favor also the display of attachment count in the status bar and I wouldn't need this tool bar at all...;) | 13:18 |
| cedk | yangoon: this toolbar is only relevant for the current tab | 13:32 |
| cedk | yangoon: by the way, I'm thinking about moving the form menu into somewhere in the tab | 13:32 |
| yangoon | cedk: yes that's the problem:if you want also a toolbar for not tab-related items, you have two toolbars | 13:32 |
| yangoon | that's what I mean with: you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons | 13:33 |
| cedk | yangoon: I don't want a toolbar for not tab-related items | 13:35 |
| cedk | yangoon: for the request, you can access it from the user menu entry | 13:35 |
| cedk | and by the way, request should be removed in favor of emails | 13:36 |
| yangoon | cedk: you can access all from the menu | 13:37 |
| yangoon | and whether request or email, problem is the same | 13:37 |
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| cedk | yangoon: emails will not be managed by the client | 13:38 |
| yangoon | current toolbar offers two additional features over menu: optical display of waitng requests and more important: attachment count | 13:39 |
| yangoon | if we can move attachment count *and* fast accessibilty to the status bar, there would be no real need for a tollbar for keyboard driven workes | 13:41 |
| yangoon | workers | 13:41 |
| yangoon | for now I still need it to have information about attachments | 13:42 |
| cedk | yangoon: there is still attachment count | 13:42 |
| cedk | yangoon: waiting request are on the bottom | 13:43 |
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| udono | cedk: Are there other benefits beside GUI design to have a toolbar inside the tabs? | 13:47 |
| cedk | udono: for future, I think we will make tabs floatable | 13:48 |
| cedk | udono: so having a toolbar inside will make it easier | 13:48 |
| udono | cedk: does floatble mean drag 'n drop? | 13:56 |
| cedk | udono: yes | 13:56 |
| yangoon | cedk: for a floatable tab it would be indeed essential to have also the menu on the tab | 13:58 |
| yangoon | cedk: wouldn't it be better to postpone such changes until we have floatable tabs? | 13:59 |
| yangoon | for the moment I can only say that it is other behavior than most/all applications I know | 13:59 |
| udono | yangoon: the menu could stay in the application, as far as I understand. | 14:02 |
| yangoon | besides that: what happens if I focuse menu and then click New button? are those buttons really related to the tab? | 14:02 |
| cedk | the menu should stay on the primary window | 14:03 |
| yangoon | udono: does it make sense to have a solitaire tab without menu? | 14:03 |
| cedk | yangoon: buttons only apply to the current tab | 14:03 |
| udono | yangoon: I meant the opposite: Menu and tab container are the main application. | 14:05 |
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| udono | and with the design I am unsure, too. It seems unusual in a way. | 14:10 |
| cedk | yangoon: why postpone? It will change nothing | 14:10 |
| cedk | udono: for me, it is more clean than the current one | 14:10 |
| cedk | udono: you have buttons outside tab that work only inside tab | 14:11 |
| yangoon | cedk: floating tabs are the only argument for me to find it useful to change the current design in this respect | 14:15 |
| yangoon | since we don't have them the design change can very well be backponed for me | 14:16 |
| yangoon | and perhaps better to ask on tryton-dev, too, to have more opinions on this subject | 14:17 |
| udono | cedk: yes, but now we have buttons inside tabs on top (tool-bar) and below (actions/reports/wizards)... | 14:17 |
| cedk | yangoon: it goes with the DnD in Tree and the new menu design | 14:17 |
| cedk | udono: and? | 14:18 |
| cedk | udono: more logical | 14:18 |
| bechamel | cedk: are you thinkink about dropping "form" on the main menu ? | 14:18 |
| cedk | bechamel: yes | 14:19 |
| cedk | bechamel: working on it but did not yet find a good place | 14:19 |
| cedk | yangoon: discuss on ML will come when things will be clearly defined | 14:19 |
| bechamel | cedk: imo we should find a way to hide the less used/usefull buttons | 14:19 |
| bechamel | ACTION thinks to much buttons makes the user an confused boy | 14:20 |
| udono | cedk: ... for me it looks half-backed, sorry. | 14:20 |
| bechamel | s/an/a/ | 14:20 |
| cedk | udono: don't understand | 14:21 |
| bechamel | cedk: half-backed means there still work to do | 14:22 |
| cedk | bechamel: udono: yes but what? | 14:22 |
| udono | cedk: I'm unsure and it is not easy, because I lack of a vision/conception of a perfect GUI. | 14:25 |
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| cedk | udono: first there is no perfect GUI :-) | 14:41 |
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| udono | cedk: :-) | 14:49 |
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| cedk | new version with Form menu in tab http://tinypic.com/r/ndtt2w/7 | 15:29 |
| bechamel | cedk: does this menu appear when the last button of the button bar is clicked ? | 15:31 |
| cedk | bechamel: yes on the arrow | 15:32 |
| bechamel | cedk: maybe we should find a better icon | 15:33 |
| cedk | bechamel: there is no icon | 15:33 |
| bechamel | cedk: what about dropping some icon now (the corresponding actions are now availaible in the down arrow) ? | 15:35 |
| bechamel | like report, wizard, search | 15:36 |
| bechamel | I never click on them | 15:36 |
| cedk | bechamel: because you are an advanced user | 15:36 |
| cedk | bechamel: I never click on any of those buttons | 15:37 |
| bechamel | cedk: next step : drop main menu and replace it with a unique button in rigth of the tab-bar (ala chrome) :) ! | 15:39 |
| cedk | bechamel: don't agree :-) | 15:47 |
| cedk | bechamel: this design makes client no more usable with keyboard only | 15:48 |
| bechamel | cedk: what if the button just hide/unhide the top menu :p | 15:58 |
| cedk | bechamel: it doesn't take very much space | 16:04 |
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