| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Wed Jun 29 00:00:02 CEST 2011 | ||
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| 2011-06-29 11:03 <sharoon> cedk: ping | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:04 <cedk> sharoon: hi | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:04 <sharoon> cedk: travelling these days, so not connected fulltime | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:05 <cedk> sharoon: ok, when will you be back? | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:05 <sharoon> cedk: I am connected till 2nd and then again only on 8th | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:05 <cedk> sharoon: don't understand | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:06 <sharoon> cedk: i am available fulltime till 2nd (so will be on IRC). and then will not be available till 8th | ||
| 2011-06-29 11:06 <cedk> sharoon: ok | ||
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| 2011-06-29 12:32 <sharoon> cedk: did you know that fabien "wants to avoid people that sells proprietary modules & open core possibilities (like..... tryton)" | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:37 <cedk> sharoon: yes | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:37 <cedk> sharoon: but it did not understand the license | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:38 <cedk> sharoon: the all talk abour derivative work | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:38 <cedk> sharoon: but any way, if he is attacking us like that it is because he is afraid of | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:38 <sharoon> cedk: agree | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:39 <cedk> sharoon: all the talk about the license is strange because nobody understand the real concern about it | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:39 <cedk> sharoon: it is that OpenERP wants to keep the all control of it | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:39 <sharoon> cedk: one doubt, why is such an exception required ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:39 <cedk> sharoon: like that they can change the license how they want | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:39 <sharoon> cedk: i dont think such an exception is required to address the purpose | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:40 <cedk> sharoon: so if one day they want they can make it closed sources | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:41 <cedk> and this is the big issue of not sharing the copyright with other contributions | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:41 <sharoon> cedk: exactly | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:41 <sharoon> cedk: are odony's claims true that they dont have your code anymore ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:42 <cedk> sharoon: they rewrite the one I show | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:43 <cedk> sharoon: but there is still some part like vatnumber, some stuffs in the client | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:43 <cedk> sharoon: the more funny is that he was asking to me if there is no more of my code left | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:43 <cedk> I answered that it is not my job to look if their devs take my code | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:44 <sharoon> cedk: lol | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:44 <cedk> if they want to change the license they must make a audit of the code | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:45 <sharoon> cedk: exactly, and the claim itself is so funny. that all modules with the author as OpenERP or Tiny is now with this exception | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:46 <cedk> sharoon: also when they say AGPL is better for SAAS indeed it is "it is better for our SAAS" | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:46 <sharoon> cedk: my question rather is does AGPL require that modules developed can never be private ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:46 <cedk> sharoon: because they are the only one who is able to run it at lower cost | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:47 <cedk> sharoon: everybody else will need to make pressure on OpenERP SA to get the fixes pushed | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:47 <cedk> so this close the market of SAAS because of their closed development process | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:48 <sharoon> cedk: ok makes sense now | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:50 <cedk> sharoon: I find also funny the proposal of rvalyi about making a foundation to sale modules with exception | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:51 <sharoon> cedk: well strictly speaking i dont think it can be done, and OpenERP SA will be happy to sue anybody and everybody for that | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:53 <bechamel> also; when odony say "@version2beta If a provider did that, OpenERP SA could withdraw the written permission and force them back to AGPL,to guarantee fairness", he forget to add ".. except if the provider is openerp itself" | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:54 <bechamel> IMO the agpl and this agpl+exception is a competition-killer on the saas market | ||
| 2011-06-29 12:55 <cedk> all this make me thing that OpenERP SA show himself as the god of Open Source that will punish anybody not play with their rules | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:00 <sharoon> cedk: the most important concern should be "if they can change from one license to another despite such resistance, they could be prop. anytime too ?" | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:00 <cedk> ACTION wondering why people continue to top-post on ml | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:00 <cedk> sharoon: yes of course | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:00 <cedk> sharoon: you must trust the "OpenERP SA" company to keep going this way | ||
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| 2011-06-29 13:04 <cedk> sharoon: about the closed modules, I think it is the choice of the user to use them or not | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:04 <sharoon> cedk: so you really dont require an alternate license right ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:04 <cedk> sharoon: same for an SAAS (which will use them) | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:05 <cedk> sharoon: for me, almost all the guys on OpenERP don't understand how license apply | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:05 <cedk> it is about "derivative work" not technical concern about the "linkage" or whatever | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:06 <cedk> sharoon: moreover, I'm pretty sure that OE doesn't respect his own AGPL license | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:06 <cedk> if you read it, it says that the application must provide a link to download the running code | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <sharoon> cedk: yep | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <cedk> sharoon: for me, it is something very complicated to do | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <sharoon> cedk: and there is no such thing in the GTK/Web clients | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <cedk> sharoon: nope | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <sharoon> cedk: also each module will need link ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:07 <cedk> sharoon: yes but indeed it is the *running* code that must be downloaded | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:08 <cedk> sharoon: not the one that was published somewhere because you must be sure that it is exactly the same | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:08 <sharoon> cedk: what does that mean ? a facility to download the version of code ebing run on the server ? | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:08 <cedk> for me, AGPL is so complex to respect that I don't want to use it | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:08 <cedk> sharoon: yes | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:08 <sharoon> cedk: that's scary! | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:09 <cedk> sharoon: for any one accessing the service | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:09 <cedk> sharoon: so for example, the SSO webclient of OE (which is on google market) must have a download link on its login screen | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:09 <sharoon> cedk: so if openerp launches prop. modules on the saas no one can question because they have the enterprise | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:10 <cedk> but it was not there that why I asked for it but nobody answered | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:11 <cedk> sharoon: not because of that, it will depend if the "prop. modules" are a "derivative work" of some code which is under the GPL or AGPL | ||
| 2011-06-29 13:13 <cedk> ACTION lunch | ||
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| 2011-06-29 16:27 <zodman> ping sharoon the electronic-mail from bitbucket not show the menuentry Email Management it that correct ?¿ | ||
| 2011-06-29 16:27 <sharoon> zodman: the menu is under admini.. > users > | ||
| 2011-06-29 16:29 <zodman> ok ok i not really understanding the xml file. sorry | ||
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| 2011-06-29 17:38 <cedk> ACTION on crusade against top-posting | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:39 <nicoe> :D | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:41 <cedk> nicoe: too much new commers that do know the netiquette | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:41 <nicoe> cedk: s/do/& not | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:42 <nicoe> I am awaiting the people that will post html only messages | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:43 <cedk> nicoe: I think google group fix it | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:44 <nicoe> good | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:45 <cedk> nicoe: indeed I thought I saw this feature but now I did not find it | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:45 <cedk> nicoe: so perhaps there is not | ||
| 2011-06-29 17:46 <nicoe> Maybe they are catched by the anti-spam feature | ||
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