IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2014-02-05

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Wed Feb 5 00:00:02 CET 2014
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2014-02-05 09:51 <pokoli> cedk: we have found that sepa_creditor_identified is a required field in Spain, and it's a code that must be validated
2014-02-05 09:51 <pokoli> cedk: may I add it to the review?
2014-02-05 09:51 <cedk> pokoli: show the documentation, first
2014-02-05 09:52 <pokoli> cedk: page 8 of https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sepa%20at%2002&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu%2Fknowledge_bank_download.cfm%3Ffile%3DEPC002-09%2520e-Mandate%2520Service%2520IG%2520V4.0%2520Approved.pdf&ei=F_vxUpmvIrLT7AaEpIAI&usg=AFQjCNH4wunyM7J0-udLdSOFz17fQrBmfg&bvm=bv.60799247,d.ZGU&cad=rja
2014-02-05 09:53 <pokoli> cedk: point 1.5.2
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2014-02-05 09:54 <cedk> pokoli: the check should be added to python-stdnum
2014-02-05 09:55 <cedk> pokoli: and the identification is already required for validated mandate
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2014-02-05 10:00 <pokoli> cedk: but I'm talking about party.sepa_creditor_identifier, not mandate identification
2014-02-05 10:01 <cedk> pokoli: ha ok, you can not make it required
2014-02-05 10:02 <pokoli> cedk: but we can validate on process_sepa function that all parties involved on the filed have a sepa_creditor_identifier
2014-02-05 10:02 <cedk> pokoli: that's wrong, only the company must have it
2014-02-05 10:04 <pokoli> cedk: Our bank says that this field is required for all parties involved in the file
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2014-02-05 10:08 <cedk> pokoli: that's make no sense
2014-02-05 10:08 <cedk> pokoli: even the name tells it is the *creditor* identification
2014-02-05 10:09 <pokoli> cedk: here in spain is calculated based on nif
2014-02-05 10:10 <cedk> pokoli: the doc explicitly explain that this number is to allow credited party to complain
2014-02-05 10:11 <cedk> pokoli: maybe your bank is overuling the norm
2014-02-05 10:12 <cedk> pokoli: moreover, you can make direct credit to non-buisness parties like individual
2014-02-05 10:12 <pokoli> cedk: yes, maybe our bank is overuling the norm
2014-02-05 10:12 <pokoli> cedk: individuals have also nif, so you can also calculte the AT-02
2014-02-05 10:14 <cedk> pokoli: I personally don't have such creditor identification but I have some company making direct debit on my account
2014-02-05 10:15 <cedk> pokoli: you should ask your bank why you need the *creditor* id of the party who is *debited*
2014-02-05 10:16 <pokoli> cedk: ok, i will talk to my bank
2014-02-05 10:18 <cedk> pokoli: but validation will be good via stdnum
2014-02-05 10:19 <pokoli> cedk: i will propose a pull request to stdnum to add this validation
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2014-02-05 18:31 <lids> hello
2014-02-05 18:32 <lids> http://tryton-administration-manual.readthedocs.org/en/latest/basic_config.html#creating-a-company
2014-02-05 18:32 <lids> on this page, we can read "The company model represents the actual organisation the users of Tryton are members of.", is that true ?
2014-02-05 18:37 <cedk> lids: better to say: it is the companies managed with Tryton
2014-02-05 18:41 <lids> cedk: ok, thx. what's the best practice to store an organisation and its employees with the current model with the current party model ?
2014-02-05 18:43 <cedk> lids: just party
2014-02-05 18:43 <lids> or just the best practice? for example, should I only store employees bundled with the company name ?
2014-02-05 18:43 <cedk> lids: there is a WIP for a relationship module
2014-02-05 18:45 <grasbauer> hi - what is state of art for bulk creating objects? I have a modul that fetches on initial setup about 130.000 sets from a webservice. I create dicts from this data: I guess inserting them via create() would result in a never ending process - because of the validation?
2014-02-05 18:46 <lids> cedk: i found the blueprint, there is something more ?
2014-02-05 18:54 <cedk> lids: a codereview
2014-02-05 18:54 <cedk> grasbauer: create them by bunch of 1000
2014-02-05 18:55 <grasbauer> cedk: need to commit the transaction?
2014-02-05 18:55 <cedk> grasbauer: no
2014-02-05 18:55 <grasbauer> cedk: ok
2014-02-05 18:55 <cedk> grasbauer: except at the end
2014-02-05 18:55 <grasbauer> cedk: thanks
2014-02-05 18:56 <lids> cedk: ok, thanks
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