IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2017-05-24 #tryton log beginning Wed May 24 00:00:01 CEST 2017
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2017-05-24 13:39 <LordVan> hi
2017-05-24 13:39 <LordVan> got a question:
2017-05-24 13:40 <LordVan> is it possible in tryton to have an order with several (partially recurring partially one-off products -- from manufacturing) with different planned delivery dates ?
2017-05-24 13:44 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, a sale order may be linked to several customer shipments (each with a planned date)
2017-05-24 13:46 <LordVan> pokoli, but what i mean is can i define that when creating the order - and not when creating the shipment
2017-05-24 13:46 <LordVan> so i can then query for things i need to ship tomorrow
2017-05-24 13:46 <LordVan> e.g.
2017-05-24 13:47 <pokoli> LordVan: by default supply date is computed using the product lead_time
2017-05-24 13:47 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 13:47 <LordVan> but can i overwrite that per "line" of the order?
2017-05-24 13:48 <pokoli> LordVan: there is one nantic module that does that:
2017-05-24 13:49 <pokoli> LordVan: but the question is, how do you know delivery date?
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> i have a customer that orders
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> 30 * Article XYZ by next week
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> 100 * XYZ by the end of the month,..
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> so know when the customer *wants* it
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> doesn't mean i can or will meet it
2017-05-24 13:49 <LordVan> but i need the info in there when tehy want it
2017-05-24 13:50 <pokoli> LordVan: and why not creating several sales for each date?
2017-05-24 13:51 <pokoli> LordVan: you can create sales on future dates and I imagine that the customer can cancel some sales after some time
2017-05-24 13:51 <LordVan> basically what i noticed with (just about any) FOSS ERP/CRM systems is that they are mostly created for resale / retail
2017-05-24 13:51 <LordVan> I don't really want to create X orders per customer order if they have different dates
2017-05-24 13:51 <LordVan> in some cases i could end up splitting one customer order into 15-20 orders in the system
2017-05-24 13:51 <LordVan> which would be a nightmare
2017-05-24 13:52 <pokoli> LordVan: in tryton, we provide a generic case, that can be customizable
2017-05-24 13:52 <pokoli> LordVan: and that's what's the nantic module does: Creates a specific case
2017-05-24 13:52 <LordVan> hm
2017-05-24 13:53 <LordVan> so i'd have to take that and then make sure i maintain it to work with future versions
2017-05-24 13:53 <LordVan> if i make changes too i mean
2017-05-24 13:53 <pokoli> LordVan: yes (or contract somebody that maintains it for you )
2017-05-24 13:53 <LordVan> hm
2017-05-24 13:54 <LordVan> ideally i'd prefer a system that meets requirements of manufacturing businesses too .. but that seems hard to find - i am also testing dolibarr at the moment
2017-05-24 13:54 <LordVan> btw
2017-05-24 13:54 <LordVan> something else
2017-05-24 13:54 <pokoli> If you have a good test suite maintaining the module is not as hard as it seems :)
2017-05-24 13:54 <LordVan> it'S been a while since i'Ve actually tried tryton (at least one major version ago)
2017-05-24 13:54 <LordVan> on the current version
2017-05-24 13:55 <LordVan> can I create a partner/company and then add several contact persons (each potentially with on conctact details and maybe address) ?
2017-05-24 13:56 <LordVan> pokoli, well it is python so it's gotta beat php on dolibarr but still ^^
2017-05-24 13:57 <pokoli> LordVan: in tryton that's achieved using the party_relationship module:
2017-05-24 13:57 <LordVan> btw just found demo4 tryton
2017-05-24 13:57 <LordVan> nice web interface
2017-05-24 13:57 <LordVan> back when i last tried there was nothing like this
2017-05-24 13:58 <LordVan> ask cedk ^^ i annoyed him back when it was first forked XD
2017-05-24 13:58 <pokoli> LordVan: so you can have company/contact but also whatever type of relations
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2017-05-24 13:58 <LordVan> ACTION tries to find that in the demo
2017-05-24 13:59 <pokoli> LordVan: so it have been a lot of time since you last tryied, as this module is there since 3.2 (3 years ago)
2017-05-24 13:59 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 13:59 <pokoli> LordVan: it's not activated on the demo site, let me activate it for you
2017-05-24 13:59 <LordVan> cool
2017-05-24 14:00 <LordVan> i mean we are now (to a very small extent) using dolibarr because we put the customer data in there + generate our project sheets with it too
2017-05-24 14:00 <LordVan> but if there is a compelling case to swap to tryton it would still be easy
2017-05-24 14:01 <pokoli> LordVan: module is activated. You will see a new tab on the party form
2017-05-24 14:01 <LordVan> ah!
2017-05-24 14:02 <pokoli> LordVan: and the Relations types can be created from: Party -> Configuration -> Relation types
2017-05-24 14:02 <pokoli> LordVan: in tryton there is also a project module :)
2017-05-24 14:02 <pokoli> LordVan: sorry but didn't know too much about dolibarr
2017-05-24 14:03 <LordVan> pokoli, one main reason why i chose dolibarr to start with: document generation from ODT templates (by using a simple text replace system) and pdf
2017-05-24 14:03 <LordVan> the odt template stuff is really quick to do
2017-05-24 14:04 <LordVan> in dolibarr all you need to do is know the placeholder like {object_title} and type that in (without formatting per letter or stopping so it is exactly like that in the content xml within the odt / ods) and it replaces it
2017-05-24 14:04 <pokoli> LordVan: our reports are also generated with odt and exported to pdf
2017-05-24 14:04 <LordVan> you can probably see how it is really quick to get some results with that
2017-05-24 14:04 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, exactly the same. But you have to register the report template on the database
2017-05-24 14:04 <LordVan> (except htat I ahd to patch dolibarr and fix bugs lol
2017-05-24 14:05 <pokoli> LordVan: for example our asset depreciation table can be downloaded from
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2017-05-24 14:06 <pokoli> LordVan: on tryton the last 5 major releases recieve bug fixes
2017-05-24 14:06 <LordVan> pokoli, nice ... does it deal automatically with things like creating an extra page if there is too much content in a table for exampl?
2017-05-24 14:06 <pokoli> LordVan: yes
2017-05-24 14:07 <LordVan> nice
2017-05-24 14:07 <LordVan> that is somethign that afaik i can only do with php+pdf in dolibarr
2017-05-24 14:07 <LordVan> somehow they seem to treat odt generation as a bit of a side thing
2017-05-24 14:07 <LordVan> but in general it works
2017-05-24 14:08 <LordVan> btw
2017-05-24 14:08 <LordVan> about party relations
2017-05-24 14:08 <pokoli> LordVan: we use relatiorio for generating reports (
2017-05-24 14:09 <LordVan> i have to admint i do not understand what to enter in From type and to
2017-05-24 14:09 <LordVan> ^^
2017-05-24 14:10 <pokoli> LordVan: The type is the type of relation. Let me create the company/contact one as example
2017-05-24 14:10 <LordVan> thanks
2017-05-24 14:10 <LordVan> bit difficult if one is not familiar with the UI and archtiecture yet
2017-05-24 14:10 <LordVan> ;)
2017-05-24 14:11 <pokoli> LordVan: it's easier to understand from the party from
2017-05-24 14:11 <pokoli> LordVan: just ho to Party -> Parties menú and double click any record to open a form
2017-05-24 14:12 <pokoli> LordVan: you will see a relations tab there, showing all the relations of the current party
2017-05-24 14:12 <pokoli> then you can create a new record using the notebook icon on the rigth
2017-05-24 14:12 <LordVan> ah
2017-05-24 14:12 <pokoli> LordVan: you will be asked for the type, so you can select if you want to relate the compnay of this contact, or the contact of this company
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> but
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> when i look at the list of all parties
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> will it show me all companies and all contacts then?
2017-05-24 14:13 <pokoli> LordVan: and the too field indicates the other party which is the relations
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> - what i mean
2017-05-24 14:13 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, a party is a company, a contact, and employe, a supplier a customer
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> there is no seperation betweek company / customer / business partner and actual people with contact numbers,..
2017-05-24 14:13 <LordVan> hm
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> so could a filtered view be created to show e.g. all actual customers
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> ah wait
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> ther eis parties associated to sales
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> hm
2017-05-24 14:14 <pokoli> LordVan: See
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> thanks
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> sorry for askign so many things ^^
2017-05-24 14:14 <pokoli> LordVan: don't worry
2017-05-24 14:14 <pokoli> ACTION is enjoying the chat
2017-05-24 14:14 <LordVan> brb
2017-05-24 14:29 <LordVan> bk
2017-05-24 14:29 <LordVan> ^^
2017-05-24 14:30 <LordVan> A contact mechanism is made of a type, value and comment. -- i do not see a place to enter a comment?
2017-05-24 14:30 <LordVan> is taht disableD?
2017-05-24 14:30 <pokoli> LordVan: comment is available only on form view
2017-05-24 14:30 <LordVan> ah
2017-05-24 14:31 <pokoli> LordVan: use the last icon on the contact mechanims to change view. The notebook after ther right arrow
2017-05-24 14:31 <LordVan> that is .. a bit inconveninet
2017-05-24 14:32 <LordVan> we have quite a few people who have like work landline, work mobile, private landline, private mobile (or maybe 2)
2017-05-24 14:32 <LordVan> so if i just have a list of numbers in the overview it is not very helpful
2017-05-24 14:33 <pokoli> LordVan: the idea is to order them using the sequence field, so the most relevant ones are shown on the top
2017-05-24 14:33 <pokoli> LordVan: and of course, you can modify the view to add the comment on the tree view :)
2017-05-24 14:33 <pokoli> LordVan: tryton is suposed to be extended by your own modules (or module) to fit your specific needs
2017-05-24 14:33 <LordVan> you mean modify it in the source code or in some config?
2017-05-24 14:33 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 14:34 <LordVan> i am just trying to figure out to what extent i'd have to modify / extend
2017-05-24 14:34 <LordVan> btw
2017-05-24 14:34 <pokoli> LordVan: create a module that modify that add the fields to the view, so when activating the module the field is shown there
2017-05-24 14:34 <LordVan> just to be on the safe side: the source code (variables,..) in tryton are using english right?
2017-05-24 14:35 <LordVan> (dolibarr has *a lot* of french in the DB fields and source and it frankly drives me mad since i donT' speak french)
2017-05-24 14:35 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, everythink is in English here
2017-05-24 14:36 <pokoli> althouth some developers know french ;)
2017-05-24 14:36 <LordVan> haha
2017-05-24 14:36 <LordVan> i don't mind
2017-05-24 14:36 <LordVan> but like example pdf generation for invoice has thigns like margin_left/top/right/bottom in french
2017-05-24 14:36 <LordVan> which is not helpful to me lol
2017-05-24 14:37 <pokoli> LordVan: no, everything in english here
2017-05-24 14:37 <LordVan> i did a lot of replacing there XD
2017-05-24 14:37 <LordVan> :)
2017-05-24 14:37 <LordVan> anyway back to more interesting stuff
2017-05-24 14:37 <LordVan> so ic ould write a module to extend tryton which modifies the contact mechanisms part of the party to display the comment too
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2017-05-24 14:38 <LordVan> sounds like something that should be simple in general ^^
2017-05-24 14:38 <pokoli> LordVan: well, you just to have some knowledge of python and xml
2017-05-24 14:39 <pokoli> LordVan: a tryton module is a python package
2017-05-24 14:39 <LordVan> i've been coding python since some time aroudn the first major release lol
2017-05-24 14:39 <LordVan> i know
2017-05-24 14:39 <LordVan> i do admit i am not too well versed with the newer python 3 stuff
2017-05-24 14:39 <LordVan> (yet)
2017-05-24 14:39 <pokoli> LordVan: have a look at:
2017-05-24 14:40 <pokoli> LordVan: currently tryton support python2 and python3 too
2017-05-24 14:40 <LordVan> the only thing so far i do not like that much is taht parties contain everything from a contact at a company to our customers and suppliers
2017-05-24 14:41 <LordVan> i'd prefer it seperated , but if that's the only compromise i can live with it
2017-05-24 14:41 <pokoli> LordVan: and to be more concrete. Some docs about how to extend a view:
2017-05-24 14:41 <LordVan> there's some nice documentation
2017-05-24 14:41 <LordVan> another downside of dolibarr .. quite a few things in french only again haha
2017-05-24 14:41 <pokoli> LordVan: it's to avoid data duplication, for example if the same party is a customer and a supplier
2017-05-24 14:42 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 14:42 <LordVan> well that is fine
2017-05-24 14:42 <pokoli> LordVan: what's your main language?
2017-05-24 14:42 <LordVan> what i meant was the differenciation between customer/supplier and people working there ^^
2017-05-24 14:42 <LordVan> german
2017-05-24 14:43 <pokoli> LordVan: lucky guy. Tryton is fully translated to german:
2017-05-24 14:43 <LordVan> ^^
2017-05-24 14:43 <pokoli> brb
2017-05-24 14:48 <LordVan> k
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2017-05-24 14:58 <pokoli> bk
2017-05-24 14:59 <LordVan> ;)
2017-05-24 14:59 <LordVan> you knwo
2017-05-24 14:59 <LordVan> it is nice to go into an IRC channel for an ERP and actually have people answer you lol
2017-05-24 14:59 <LordVan> (that is not a given these days)
2017-05-24 14:59 <LordVan> suitecrm and dolibarr both have some but hardly anyone there - or even when then mostly users only
2017-05-24 15:00 <pokoli> LordVan: that one of the best things about tryton, there is people behind it :)
2017-05-24 15:00 <LordVan> yeah
2017-05-24 15:00 <LordVan> that is why back when it was forked from tinyerp i did try it out - and talked a lot with cedk
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2017-05-24 15:00 <LordVan> but the native gui only vs web-ui was a bit of a pain
2017-05-24 15:01 <pokoli> LordVan: indeed, if you don't get a reply on IRC, you can use other channels:
2017-05-24 15:01 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 15:01 <pokoli> LordVan: now things have changed. And we have both options, and they only web
2017-05-24 15:01 <LordVan> thing is with dolibarr that i noticed that on the forum hardly anyone replies - at least not before i figure it out or fix it myself
2017-05-24 15:02 <LordVan> - i did just submit pull requests on github then and they got merged fast, but the devs seem to ignroe the forum :(
2017-05-24 15:03 <LordVan> the problem is that we have some rather specific needs due to being a manufacturing company and not a reseller
2017-05-24 15:03 <LordVan> for most resellers eRP stuff is rather simple (and stock stuff)
2017-05-24 15:03 <LordVan> but when like for us nearly every order has something one-off in it that is custom made ..
2017-05-24 15:03 <LordVan> makes things difficult
2017-05-24 15:04 <pokoli> LordVan: have you seen all the production modules? We've improved such topic on last versions
2017-05-24 15:04 <LordVan> not yet no
2017-05-24 15:05 <pokoli> LordVan: maybe you should read
2017-05-24 15:10 <LordVan> there's a lot i need to read ig uess haha
2017-05-24 15:13 <pokoli> LordVan: i guess it too. Just make sure to ask your doubts here
2017-05-24 15:13 <pokoli> LordVan: and if there is something on the docs that we can improve let us know :)
2017-05-24 15:13 <LordVan> :)
2017-05-24 15:14 <LordVan> i think what would be good was if i write up our specific requirements and post it somewhere (not here, since it would be too long lol) to get some feedback what is possible as-is and what needs custom work
2017-05-24 15:15 <pokoli> LordVan: that will be nice.
2017-05-24 15:15 <pokoli> LordVan: then we can provide some guidance on which modules to activate on your database
2017-05-24 15:16 <pokoli> LordVan: and you can create a testing environment on your local machine to test it
2017-05-24 15:17 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 15:23 <LordVan> for example i need customized project sheets per order and - at least- per material/thickness/surface treatment (we do metal works mostly sheet metal) and we need printed out sheets for people to write theri hours in,.
2017-05-24 15:23 <LordVan> those are quite a pain
2017-05-24 15:23 <LordVan> lots of special cases
2017-05-24 15:23 <LordVan> and very difficult to do this in code imho
2017-05-24 15:25 <pokoli> LordVan: a project is a manufacturing order?
2017-05-24 15:26 <pokoli> LordVan: you can encode the people and machine ours in production using the production_work_timesheet module
2017-05-24 15:26 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 15:26 <LordVan> but i need that sheet
2017-05-24 15:26 <LordVan> no computers in the hall
2017-05-24 15:26 <LordVan> and most of the workers there are metal workers who *may* find the on switch of a pc ^^
2017-05-24 15:26 <LordVan> so paper is needed
2017-05-24 15:27 <pokoli> LordVan: then you should create and odt template to print it, and then incode to the system
2017-05-24 15:28 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 15:28 <LordVan> the thing is that the distribution is difficult as it is not simple 1 sheet per order "line" but rather per part
2017-05-24 15:28 <LordVan> and some may combine into one sheet if material matches and not assembly,.. ^^
2017-05-24 15:28 <LordVan> so i think i will definitely need to code that
2017-05-24 15:29 <pokoli> LordVan: but 1 order line, is one manufacturing order no?
2017-05-24 15:29 <pokoli> LordVan: indeed, production modules are installed on demo database ;-)
2017-05-24 15:30 <LordVan> haha
2017-05-24 15:30 <LordVan> let me give you an example:
2017-05-24 15:30 <LordVan> customer orders product A,B,C,D - each with seperate planned date quite often
2017-05-24 15:31 <LordVan> part A is just a simple laser-cut steel part 2mm thick
2017-05-24 15:31 <LordVan> part B is Aluminium - 3mm cut, bent and soldered
2017-05-24 15:31 <LordVan> part C is an assembly consisting of C-1 steel 2mm, C-2 steel 5mm and some small parts
2017-05-24 15:32 <LordVan> part D is an assembly like this: D-1 aluminium 4mm, D-2 aluminium 4mm , D-3 assembly soldered made of D-3-1 Aluminum 1mm and D-3-2 Aluminium 4mm
2017-05-24 15:32 <LordVan> so basically
2017-05-24 15:33 <LordVan> i need a sheet for part A as it is ithe only single part 2mm steel
2017-05-24 15:33 <LordVan> one for part B for the same reason
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2017-05-24 15:33 <LordVan> 2 folders for C - one for steel 2mm and one for steel 5mm + either a 3rd folder for small parts or if just something small added to one of the other 2
2017-05-24 15:34 <LordVan> for D i'D need 4 sheets : 1 for D-1 & D-2 , one for D-3-1 and one for D-3-2
2017-05-24 15:34 <LordVan> maybe i'd even have an extra one for each assembly
2017-05-24 15:34 <LordVan> so i can'T even just combine all same materials from an order
2017-05-24 15:34 <LordVan> but i can do it within an assembly
2017-05-24 15:35 <LordVan> you see it gets rather complex
2017-05-24 15:35 <LordVan> *and* for repeatedly -ordered parts i want those things saved including all the manufactzuring instructions to be printed on the sheets too
2017-05-24 15:47 <LordVan> pokoli, do you know what i mean or was it too confsuing? ;)=
2017-05-24 15:48 <pokoli> ACTION reading
2017-05-24 15:49 <pokoli> LordVan: so you have nested productions. To produce C, you need to produce first C1, c2 and some small parts
2017-05-24 15:50 <pokoli> LordVan: same for D
2017-05-24 15:50 <LordVan> yes
2017-05-24 15:50 <pokoli> LordVan: and each production has it's on works, and it's own sheet
2017-05-24 15:50 <LordVan> yes but things like same material, thicknes annd treatment can be combined in one
2017-05-24 15:50 <LordVan> usually
2017-05-24 15:50 <pokoli> LordVan: let me explain a little bit how this will be handled on tryton
2017-05-24 15:51 <pokoli> LordVan: once you've confirmed the sale order, a customer shipment will be created containing all the moves and the planned dates
2017-05-24 15:52 <pokoli> LordVan: In the product form, you will indicate that this products are producible, so the scheduler will create production request for each customer request
2017-05-24 15:53 <pokoli> LordVan: and for component, the nested productions will be also created
2017-05-24 15:54 <pokoli> LordVan: in order to have the dates correctly set, you have to indiciate on each product/bom convination, which is the required time to produce it
2017-05-24 15:54 <pokoli> LordVan: and this information will be used, to set the planned date for productions and nested productions to fill the customer moves dates
2017-05-24 15:55 <LordVan> hmm
2017-05-24 15:56 <LordVan> this might add a bit too much complexity (unless the interface hides most of this - or can hide it when not needed
2017-05-24 16:02 <pokoli> LordVan: there are tabs to filter by state, it will hide the request if you are interested only on the running ones
2017-05-24 16:03 <LordVan> hmm
2017-05-24 16:03 <LordVan> i will have to look at that
2017-05-24 16:03 <LordVan> the problem is if it gets too complex for our office staff to enter it
2017-05-24 16:03 <LordVan> i do not have the time to do it myself lol
2017-05-24 16:12 <pokoli> LordVan: but you don't have to enter anything as it's computed by the system
2017-05-24 16:12 <pokoli> LordVan: you have to search for a production request to work on, and start working on it
2017-05-24 16:12 <pokoli> LordVan: normally the planned date is used to determine what have to be done first
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2017-05-24 16:14 <LordVan> hm
2017-05-24 16:14 <LordVan> interesting
2017-05-24 16:14 <LordVan> i shall look into that module
2017-05-24 16:14 <LordVan> brb
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2017-05-24 17:16 <LordVan> back ^^
2017-05-24 17:19 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, you should probably install the stock_supply_producton module for full picture
2017-05-24 17:21 <LordVan> i shall
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2017-05-24 17:21 <LordVan> i wonder if the tryton gentoo overlay still works
2017-05-24 17:21 <LordVan> (meaning is maintained)
2017-05-24 17:23 <pokoli> LordVan: I think so:
2017-05-24 17:23 <LordVan> yes ^^
2017-05-24 17:28 <LordVan> i think cedk still maintains it
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2017-05-24 17:33 <pokoli> LordVan: i think so
2017-05-24 17:40 <LordVan> ^^
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2017-05-24 19:20 <udono> hi, is there a way to test for empty childs of a stock.location in a domain? We tested ('', 'in', []) or ('childs', '=', None) but it will not work.
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2017-05-24 19:53 <cedk> udono: for me, it should work, there is a tests
2017-05-24 19:55 <udono> cedk: thank and yes I looked up the tests but childs is a one2many and there is no ('targets', '=', None) test its only for many2many . btw we use Tryton 3.4
2017-05-24 19:56 <udono> false, there is a test.
2017-05-24 19:57 <udono> but we can not find stock locations without any child, strange
2017-05-24 20:13 <udono> :-) all works as expected, thank you and sorry for the noise… I think I was too hurry with the update cycle and oversee something. FTR: ('childs', '=', None) filters all records without childs…
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