IRC logs of #tryton for Thursday, 2017-06-22 #tryton log beginning Thu Jun 22 00:00:01 CEST 2017
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2017-06-22 09:18 <LordVan> hi
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2017-06-22 09:54 <pokoli> LordVan: morning :)
2017-06-22 09:54 <LordVan> :)
2017-06-22 09:55 <pokoli> LordVan: about the issue you posted yesteday, I'm wondering if it's enought to know the surface of steel available on the system
2017-06-22 09:55 <pokoli> LordVan: or you need the detail of which parts of which size
2017-06-22 09:56 <LordVan> yeah if I end up using tryton for this I would need basically location, material, size (X,Y) and a comment field (maybe photo)
2017-06-22 09:57 <LordVan> the way the stock module can arrange stock locations would work fine
2017-06-22 09:57 <LordVan> but the product module is not really agood match for this
2017-06-22 09:57 <LordVan> as i do not have nor care about price at that point
2017-06-22 09:59 <LordVan> anyway this was just an idea i had it would not be the primary use of tryton
2017-06-22 10:02 <LordVan> currently trying to wrap my head around how to set up & use the party & order modules best (for our use cases)
2017-06-22 10:02 <LordVan> and how to import the data
2017-06-22 10:02 <cedk> LordVan: for me, if you want to have invertory control on those peices, they must be product
2017-06-22 10:03 <LordVan> hm
2017-06-22 10:03 <cedk> LordVan: also you will have to get a proper stock valuation etc.
2017-06-22 10:03 <cedk> LordVan: price is not an issue, just put 0
2017-06-22 10:03 <LordVan> cedk, i think i know what you mean, but that would complicate what we need a lot (this needs to be simple to use for not too IT-savy people)
2017-06-22 10:04 <LordVan> so i am not sure about doing that
2017-06-22 10:04 <LordVan> also i do not want to mix those "left over" metal sheets with actual products tbh
2017-06-22 10:05 <cedk> LordVan: there is only two options: the left part has value for you and they must be a product; they do not have value and you just not put them in the system
2017-06-22 10:06 <LordVan> hm
2017-06-22 10:06 <LordVan> taht'S what i was thinking
2017-06-22 10:06 <LordVan> basically i'd have to make my own module for this instead i guess
2017-06-22 10:06 <LordVan> (i do have something i wrote quite a few years ago using twisted,... but it is .. not optimal and needs to be replaced)
2017-06-22 10:07 <cedk> for me, the leftpart should be variants that you create for each size
2017-06-22 10:07 <LordVan> hmm not sure i understand the whole variants stuff (yet)
2017-06-22 10:08 <LordVan> so you mean i'd add 1 article for "Left over metal sheets" and then somehow create variants for each of them?
2017-06-22 10:09 <cedk> LordVan: yes
2017-06-22 10:09 <LordVan> hm
2017-06-22 10:09 <LordVan> ACTION looks at variants and how they work
2017-06-22 10:11 <LordVan> hm
2017-06-22 10:12 <cedk> of course, it will be a lot of work but you are expecting a lot
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2017-06-22 10:13 <cedk> also here, I'm only talking about the data design, it is up to you to customize the views/models to ease the user task
2017-06-22 10:13 <LordVan> but what i need is also some filter by material, sub-material thickness and ideally later also by size
2017-06-22 10:13 <LordVan> but yes that is probably a view thing
2017-06-22 10:13 <cedk> for example, you could have a wizard that create/set the right sheet as output of the product by just asking the size etc.
2017-06-22 10:14 <LordVan> wizards are nice for entering one sheet, but if one enters 10 at once it gets old really fast
2017-06-22 10:14 <LordVan> would probably need some batch-input (maybe in a table) too
2017-06-22 10:17 <LordVan> I do wonder if making a lot of custom views,.. for products is more complicated / more work than creating a simplified version of product for this
2017-06-22 10:17 <LordVan> hmm
2017-06-22 10:19 <LordVan> well anyway i will leave this for another time i think
2017-06-22 10:19 <LordVan> first i need to figure out how to reliably import my data into tryton from dolibarr (mostly the party data for the time being)
2017-06-22 10:20 <cedk> LordVan: if you use a different Model, you will have to create new model for: Move, Inventory, Production, Shipment, Stock Accounting, Cost computation etc.
2017-06-22 10:23 <LordVan> well i would only need to link it to "stock" for the locations i think - since i don't need to link this to anything else (unless that is somehow required?)
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2017-06-22 10:24 <pokoli> LordVan: if you produce some generic scripts to migrate from dolibarr, it will be great to share them :)
2017-06-22 10:25 <LordVan> when i imported into dolibarr i did so from CSV files (partially with their csv import , partially directly using postgresql stored procedures ..^^)
2017-06-22 10:25 <LordVan> what is the recommended way to import into tryton?
2017-06-22 10:25 <LordVan> csv?
2017-06-22 10:25 <LordVan> or write python scripts to do the importing? (i think i'Ve seen some online somwehwer)=
2017-06-22 10:26 <cedk> LordVan: it means: being able to move them: Shipment, being able to count them: Inventory, being able to produce them: Production, being able to get accounting value: Accounting
2017-06-22 10:26 <LordVan> cedk, ic well that is of course something to consider then
2017-06-22 10:26 <LordVan> but well i should probably really focus on my data import first haha
2017-06-22 10:27 <LordVan> or is that what i should use for importing?
2017-06-22 10:29 <cedk> LordVan: that's what we (B2CK) use most of the time
2017-06-22 10:29 <LordVan> seems to me it would be good to use that instead of CSV and SP
2017-06-22 10:29 <LordVan> also i prefer python to PL/SQL
2017-06-22 10:29 <LordVan> ^^
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2017-06-22 10:30 <LordVan> afk for a while back later
2017-06-22 10:30 <cedk> LordVan: it allows to script like if you were encoding from the client
2017-06-22 10:31 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, I will use proteus also
2017-06-22 10:32 <pokoli> LordVan: is a good example :)
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2017-06-22 11:12 <Timitos> cedk: will the next version of the tryton client be GTK3 only? or have plans changed?
2017-06-22 11:19 <cedk> Timitos: I think it is just going to be the default
2017-06-22 11:22 <Timitos> cedk: so it will be not possible to get gtk3-only features into this version, right?
2017-06-22 11:31 <cedk> Timitos: not yet
2017-06-22 11:31 <Timitos> well thats sad
2017-06-22 11:32 <cedk> Timitos: the problem is that almost nobody tested GTK3
2017-06-22 11:37 <pokoli> Timitos: which gtk3-only features are you interested in?
2017-06-22 11:38 <Timitos> pokoli: bring back the color on required fields for example
2017-06-22 11:38 <Timitos> its a blocker for many of our customers
2017-06-22 11:38 <pokoli> Timitos: now it's indicated on the label (bold)
2017-06-22 11:39 <Timitos> pokoli: i know and this is the problem :-) they want the color back
2017-06-22 11:39 <pokoli> Timitos: maybe you can work with a patched version, until we get gtk3-only
2017-06-22 11:40 <Timitos> i would prefer to invest into upstream at this point. but if its not possible i need to do that
2017-06-22 11:47 <pokoli> Timitos: the idea will be to implement the patch for the gtk3-version (currently is experimental) and test with that
2017-06-22 11:49 <Timitos> yes thats an option
2017-06-22 11:50 <pokoli> Timitos: it's the only way to make it happen. Test it
2017-06-22 11:55 <alexbodn> hello cedk, pokoli, all friends
2017-06-22 11:55 <pokoli> alexbodn: hello, nice to see you here. How it's goings?
2017-06-22 11:56 <alexbodn> hey pokoli, it's going slowly, as i can't unfortunately work on this only.
2017-06-22 11:58 <Timitos> cedk: pokoli: i think it would be good to set the development version of the gtk client to GTK3 by default now and not short before releasing it
2017-06-22 11:59 <cedk> Timitos: yes I have been thinking about that
2017-06-22 12:00 <cedk> also I guess it is probably doable to make a patch using the same technics as tryton/common/
2017-06-22 12:00 <pokoli> alexbodn: that's a pitty, but this happens to me also :)
2017-06-22 12:01 <Timitos> cedk: that would be great
2017-06-22 12:05 <pokoli> I will be happy to test patches :)
2017-06-22 12:06 <pokoli> Timitos: i've run the client with GTK_VERSION=3 and I see your problem... fields are not marked as required on this version.
2017-06-22 12:07 <Timitos> pokoli: even if they would be marked it would not help ;-) but i will request b2ck to create a patch for that topic
2017-06-22 12:08 <Timitos> pokoli: another point i just found is, that the icons are missing on the menus
2017-06-22 12:09 <pokoli> Timitos: i see the icons correctly :$
2017-06-22 12:09 <Timitos> pokoli: also in the "connect" menu at the top?
2017-06-22 12:10 <pokoli> Timitos: yes
2017-06-22 12:10 <Timitos> hm. ok
2017-06-22 12:10 <pokoli> Timitos: also custom icon set (we have some icons customized)
2017-06-22 12:10 <pokoli> Timitos:
2017-06-22 12:10 <cedk> pokoli: weight is not shown because of
2017-06-22 12:11 <alexbodn> how could i get a modules dependency tree? trytond-admin insists on the proper installation order
2017-06-22 12:12 <pokoli> alexbodn: if you install from the Administration -> Modules -> Modules option, dependencies are marked to install also
2017-06-22 12:12 <pokoli> cedk: maybe we should propose a patch, as I don't see so much activity on this issue
2017-06-22 12:13 <alexbodn> thanks pokoli. i'm a very lousy user, my way is to write code ;)
2017-06-22 12:14 <alexbodn> pokoli, you suggest the client has such code?
2017-06-22 12:15 <pokoli> alexbodn: it's on server side, but you can use proteus to mimic client actions
2017-06-22 12:15 <alexbodn> pokoli there is an example in proteus, but it didnt give the result
2017-06-22 12:15 <pokoli> alexbodn: you can use something like:
2017-06-22 12:17 <pokoli> alexbodn: indeed I will accept a PR that exposes this method as click command (so you can execute it from commandline)
2017-06-22 12:19 <alexbodn> this should probably go in, pokoli
2017-06-22 12:21 <pokoli> alexbodn:
2017-06-22 12:22 <alexbodn> not in trytond-admin, since this depends on proteus
2017-06-22 12:24 <pokoli> alexbodn: in the issue that I linked is implemented without proteus
2017-06-22 12:25 <alexbodn> pokoli: still reading, not just scrolling ;)
2017-06-22 12:30 <alexbodn> ok pokoli, i see it. i'll fork and patch
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2017-06-22 12:32 <pokoli> alexbodn: will be great if you can provide feedback about the patch, report issues and comment on codereview
2017-06-22 12:36 <alexbodn> pokoli: it's a feature i need. my environment is 4.0.
2017-06-22 12:36 <alexbodn> i'd like to work on it
2017-06-22 12:59 <LordVan> btw
2017-06-22 12:59 <pokoli> alexbodn: we only implement new features on latests trunk :)
2017-06-22 12:59 <LordVan> something that would be a nice addition to tryton-admin: some feedback when someone tries to run --all without starting trytond first (currently 4.4.1 just exits silently)
2017-06-22 13:21 <pokoli> LordVan: don't understand
2017-06-22 13:21 <pokoli> LordVan: there is the --verbose flag
2017-06-22 13:21 <pokoli> LordVan: and it's not required to run trytond in order to run trytond-admin
2017-06-22 13:24 <LordVan> ah wait for -p it did not do anything without trytond running
2017-06-22 13:25 <LordVan> i ran trytond-admin -c ... -v -p
2017-06-22 13:25 <LordVan> and it just went to the next prompt
2017-06-22 13:25 <LordVan> then i started trytond and it actually asked for the password
2017-06-22 13:27 <LordVan> let me re-try this just5 in case
2017-06-22 13:28 <LordVan> hmm
2017-06-22 13:28 <LordVan> odd
2017-06-22 13:28 <LordVan> now it works
2017-06-22 13:28 <LordVan> maybe it was something else then
2017-06-22 13:28 <LordVan> or because it had never been run
2017-06-22 13:36 <pokoli> LordVan: the -p action may read the password from an environment variable, and then it does not ask for anything
2017-06-22 13:36 <pokoli> LordVan: it's all explained on the help
2017-06-22 13:36 <LordVan> there was no env var
2017-06-22 13:36 <LordVan> and the odd thing is after i started trytond it worked from the same shell without any changes
2017-06-22 13:36 <LordVan> no idea what happened
2017-06-22 13:37 <LordVan> well if i can reproduce i will let you know what the problme was
2017-06-22 13:37 <LordVan> more importantly .. i gotta work on that import stuff
2017-06-22 13:37 <LordVan> but first i guess i need to add the other identifier types
2017-06-22 13:38 <LordVan> like in this link someone sent me:
2017-06-22 13:38 <LordVan> or rather
2017-06-22 13:38 <LordVan> i shall ask in first if someone has created those i need already
2017-06-22 13:42 <pokoli> LordVan: in spain we don't neeed any extra identifiers
2017-06-22 13:42 <pokoli> LordVan: using vat with country prefix will validate your country vat
2017-06-22 13:42 <LordVan> well need probably not
2017-06-22 13:42 <LordVan> but we ahve that info on some parties in dolibarr
2017-06-22 13:42 <LordVan> i don'T really want to loose information
2017-06-22 13:42 <LordVan> but
2017-06-22 13:43 <LordVan> hm
2017-06-22 13:43 <LordVan> does tryton not have a Notes/Comment field for parties?
2017-06-22 13:45 <pokoli> LordVan: there is a note functionality for all the modules
2017-06-22 13:46 <pokoli> LordVan: It's available on the toolbar, near the attachment options
2017-06-22 13:46 <LordVan> aaah
2017-06-22 13:46 <LordVan> ok
2017-06-22 13:47 <LordVan> nice
2017-06-22 13:47 <LordVan> there are lot of things tryton can do but to someone not familiar with the UI finding them is a bit of a challenge ^^
2017-06-22 13:47 <LordVan> that said
2017-06-22 13:48 <LordVan> is there a way to make it obvious to the user that there is a Note?
2017-06-22 13:48 <pokoli> LordVan: the number of unread notes for the user will be shown on the toolbar
2017-06-22 13:49 <LordVan> ah i see a star
2017-06-22 13:49 <LordVan> hmm not too visible unfortunately but i guess it should do :d
2017-06-22 13:49 <LordVan> (our users need more like a big flashy red box lol)
2017-06-22 13:49 <LordVan> although i'd solve most of that probably with categories instead ofa note
2017-06-22 13:50 <LordVan> like "this customer has to pay cash on pickup" (because it takes them 6 months to maybe pay an invoice for like 50 €
2017-06-22 13:50 <LordVan> (I know there are payment terms but this would be best to be visible there too
2017-06-22 14:00 <pokoli> LordVan: you should probably create a warning on the sale/invoice workflow when processing a sale of this kind of parties
2017-06-22 14:00 <pokoli> LordVan: so the user will get an message that i have to accept to proceed
2017-06-22 14:01 <pokoli> LordVan: but of course this is customization, and it will go on your custom module
2017-06-22 14:02 <LordVan> haha yeah
2017-06-22 14:02 <LordVan> in fact actually that info needs to be also available before it is invoiced
2017-06-22 14:02 <pokoli> LordVan: if you want to go for standard, there is the sale_credit_limit, which raises a warning if the party owes you more than a limit amount (defined per party)
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2017-06-22 14:04 <LordVan> I am sure i will have to do some customization
2017-06-22 14:04 <LordVan> talking about that
2017-06-22 14:04 <LordVan> how easi would it be to add some custom fields to e.g. party?
2017-06-22 14:07 <pokoli> LordVan: just create a custom module and extend the party module definition and views
2017-06-22 14:07 <pokoli> LordVan: if you have python knowledge easy
2017-06-22 14:08 <pokoli> LordVan: here is a WiP tutorial that explains basic comments:
2017-06-22 14:08 <LordVan> ok - well i am not sure if i need it yet (i did need it in dolibarr, but tryton allows more phone numbers anyway)
2017-06-22 14:08 <pokoli> LordVan: of course, feel free to include your comments if you have any doubts
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2017-06-22 14:10 <LordVan> the only thing i will definitely need is a way to differentiate between verious types of phone numbers
2017-06-22 14:11 <pokoli> LordVan: there is a note field on contact mechanism
2017-06-22 14:11 <pokoli> LordVan: and you can extend the types, like it's done on the identification
2017-06-22 14:11 <LordVan> yes
2017-06-22 14:12 <LordVan> i know about the note thing but realyl i'd need it more visible to differentiate between business phone, private phone (or email)
2017-06-22 14:12 <LordVan> and others maybe
2017-06-22 14:13 <pokoli> LordVan: then you should extend the types
2017-06-22 14:14 <LordVan> yeah
2017-06-22 14:27 <alexbodn> pokoli: i've patched default and branch 4.0. it appears to work ok on 4.0. there appears to be no test for trytond-admin. is there a way to check a module is correctly installed?
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2017-06-22 15:01 <pokoli> alexbodn: open the module list and check it's correcty activated
2017-06-22 15:02 <alexbodn> you mean to select * from ir_module; ?
2017-06-22 15:04 <pokoli> alexbodn: if you want to use sql, but using the client will be enough
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2017-06-22 15:06 <alexbodn> 1. i didn't even manage to install the gui client; 2. i'd like to wrap the whole thing in a reproducible test
2017-06-22 15:06 <pokoli> is the calendar view supposed to work with GTK_VERSION=3 ??? I can not open it. May I report it?
2017-06-22 15:09 <alexbodn> pokoli: the select appears to be correct.
2017-06-22 15:09 <cedk> pokoli: see patches required:
2017-06-22 15:14 <LordVan> pokoli, which part of that tutorial did you mean i should look at for extending contact method types?
2017-06-22 15:15 <pokoli> cedk: thanks
2017-06-22 15:17 <pokoli> LordVan: probablly it will be good to read the full tutorial to get the conceps
2017-06-22 15:18 <LordVan> yeah
2017-06-22 15:19 <LordVan> b7ut i was thinking one thing .. if for the sake of importing before i know all that i import, and put a fixed string in the note so we know what is what and then when i have the custom types i add those by parsing the notes
2017-06-22 15:19 <LordVan> hmm
2017-06-22 15:19 <LordVan> (i have a bit of a time problme here ^^)
2017-06-22 15:23 <LordVan> also
2017-06-22 15:23 <LordVan> that way it would keep the import script more generic
2017-06-22 15:24 <LordVan> I'd prefer to have an import script that works on unmodified tryton - i can always run a 2nd one for modifications later
2017-06-22 15:42 <pokoli> LordVan: yes, you can store on notes and then extract latter
2017-06-22 15:42 <LordVan> pokoli, strikes me as an acceptable intermediate step :)
2017-06-22 15:45 <LordVan> because .. i get the feeling the import will be not exactly trivial either - even though the data is limited to party module for the moemnt (and some project stuff, but if need be i could do that manually)
2017-06-22 15:46 <LordVan> but ih ave to say .. ir eally like the proteus approach for this
2017-06-22 15:46 <cedk> LordVan: at B2CK, our way of working is first make the development of features so the company workflow can work
2017-06-22 15:46 <LordVan> it is a lot better than importing some CSV and/or manual sql
2017-06-22 15:46 <cedk> LordVan: once it is done, we migrate the data
2017-06-22 15:47 <LordVan> cedk, i understand, but i want to first work on getting the import working on a test-system
2017-06-22 15:47 <LordVan> before I start writing that module
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2017-06-22 15:47 <LordVan> the problem is I do still have to do my other work here (3d-CAD)
2017-06-22 15:48 <LordVan> btw from what i'Ve seen there is no way to mark a phone number as being the primary one for a party or is there?
2017-06-22 15:50 <LordVan> maybe i should just pay b2ck to write me that small contact type module haha
2017-06-22 15:50 <LordVan> though then i won't have the learning experiende ;)
2017-06-22 15:52 <cedk> LordVan: put it as first in the list
2017-06-22 15:52 <LordVan> cedk, yes that's what i was thinking of doing
2017-06-22 15:52 <cedk> LordVan: common pattern in Tryton, ordered list an pick the first one as default
2017-06-22 15:53 <LordVan> i hate windows ..
2017-06-22 15:53 <LordVan> cedk, sounds good to me yes
2017-06-22 15:53 <LordVan> i could do that instead of adding extra types .. hmm
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2017-06-22 16:03 <LordVan> less custom stuff probably means easier upgrade later on
2017-06-22 16:14 <emezeta> hello. is there any kind of standardized versioning like 'supported', 'stable', 'testing', 'devel', etc, for tryton releases? If so, I'd appreciate if you can point it to me.
2017-06-22 16:16 <Timitos> emezeta: stable is always a version with even number at the minor version (like 4.2, 4.4, 4.6), devel is with odd number (4.5 is current devel version)
2017-06-22 16:17 <cedk> emezeta: we have an old wiki page:
2017-06-22 16:17 <emezeta> thks @ both
2017-06-22 16:18 <cedk> we should included this old wiki page on the website
2017-06-22 16:18 <LordVan> btw cedk duno if you did see that yesterday .. but it would be great if the ebuilds also installed a sample config for trytond ;)
2017-06-22 16:20 <cedk> LordVan: I do not think so
2017-06-22 16:20 <LordVan> why?
2017-06-22 16:20 <cedk> LordVan: there is no sample configuration file, it is a file to customize
2017-06-22 16:20 <LordVan> (i mean named trytond.sample.conf of course )
2017-06-22 16:20 <LordVan> yeah but i foudn it easier to use one from opensuse and change that to my needs
2017-06-22 16:20 <LordVan> just so one knows what config sections and options there are i mean
2017-06-22 16:21 <LordVan> i know it's in the docs of course
2017-06-22 16:21 <cedk> LordVan: we had such file before and it went very fast out of sync
2017-06-22 16:21 <LordVan> ah
2017-06-22 16:21 <LordVan> ic
2017-06-22 16:21 <cedk> LordVan: also it is modular so the section depends on which modules are installed
2017-06-22 16:22 <emezeta> fyi is dead.
2017-06-22 16:22 <LordVan> of course i meant just the main part like db and network ports,..
2017-06-22 16:22 <cedk> trytond have good defaults so the configuration file should only contain what user needs
2017-06-22 16:22 <LordVan> ic
2017-06-22 16:23 <LordVan> well i need to look into logging config still (currently running it within a screen from stdin - which works well for testing anyway ;))
2017-06-22 16:23 <cedk> emezeta:
2017-06-22 16:23 <cedk> emezeta: where did you find this link?
2017-06-22 16:23 <LordVan> cedk, i just found it a bit difficult to find out which sections and settings i do need tbh
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2017-06-22 16:29 <emezeta> cedk you gave it to me a few lines ago
2017-06-22 16:29 <cedk> emezeta: it is a deprecated wiki page so it is normal to have dead link
2017-06-22 16:29 <emezeta> deprecated ;)
2017-06-22 16:30 <LordVan> well i shall ponder this some more .. cya later or tomorrow ^^
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2017-06-22 20:01 <andrespoliti> hello! i see gnu health has qr generation functionality. Does sao has a component to scan qr codes also?
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