IRC logs of #tryton for Friday, 2009-04-17 #tryton log beginning Fri Apr 17 00:00:02 CEST 2009
2009-04-17 00:00 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: maybe "clone" is better than "duplicate" ?
2009-04-17 00:02 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah maybe, so that is related to copy taking several ids on the server right ?
2009-04-17 00:03 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: yes
2009-04-17 00:03 <vengfulsquirrel> I kind of read up on the discussion for this release notification, but is this to get notify developers using the project or to attract new users/developers?
2009-04-17 00:03 <vengfulsquirrel> *"get notify"=notify
2009-04-17 00:03 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: the new tax rule system allow to define a way to substitute on an invoice tax from a product with a tax from a rule defined on the party (iirc, I'm not very good for accouting stuffs)
2009-04-17 00:05 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: this is the heart of the discussion imo
2009-04-17 00:05 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: the best would be a text which will be ok for both: devs and users
2009-04-17 00:06 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: hence my idea of adding a paragraph with key features on the top
2009-04-17 00:10 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: I think the peoples that will be intersted by the news are the ones that are not involved with the project but follow it and check the website from time to time
2009-04-17 00:16 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: update of account chart from templates: when you start to use the accounting module you have to choose an account chart for your company: this step consist of creating a complete chart from an existing template. so the new feature means that the chart can be resynced with the templates they come from
2009-04-17 00:18 <vengfulsquirrel> So changes to the template can be propagated to an existing chart of an account ?
2009-04-17 00:18 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: yes
2009-04-17 00:33 <vengfulsquirrel> I think we should explain historical data handling.
2009-04-17 00:35 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel:
2009-04-17 00:38 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: thanks
2009-04-17 00:39 <vengfulsquirrel> Make sure you look at "Contextual view inheritance" and the changes to the Account module I kind of changed those around a lot.
2009-04-17 00:39 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: yes especially as "historical" is tryton-specific wording
2009-04-17 00:39 <vengfulsquirrel> yeah
2009-04-17 00:41 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel sorry, but i think there are still errors left
2009-04-17 00:41 <yangoon> A more standard xml-rpc API that allow introspection.
2009-04-17 00:41 <yangoon> -> allows
2009-04-17 00:42 <vengfulsquirrel> oh right
2009-04-17 00:42 <vengfulsquirrel> Missed that one
2009-04-17 00:42 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: When are you sending this out ?
2009-04-17 00:42 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: it's planned for monday
2009-04-17 00:46 <yangoon> date of the accounting moves to be differ
2009-04-17 00:46 <yangoon> -> different
2009-04-17 00:47 <yangoon> vengfulsquirrel: reads much better now, thx
2009-04-17 00:47 <bechamel> yangoon: you are faster than me to re-red the text :)
2009-04-17 00:47 <vengfulsquirrel> Oh I changed it from different to differ but forgot to drop the "be"
2009-04-17 00:47 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: ok
2009-04-17 00:49 <yangoon> bechamel: invoice cancellation: you know, for us (german people around here) it is not a cancellation, but sort of automatic credit note
2009-04-17 00:49 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah that maybe could use a better explaination, it is talking about refunds/returns right ?
2009-04-17 00:51 <yangoon> bechamel: so perhaps better to change it to: Integrated management of refunds for invoices which can be handled directly from the sale/purchase order.
2009-04-17 00:51 <bechamel> yangoon, vengfulsquirrel: the sale/purchase generate automaticaly an invoice, which can be "cancelled" even if still draft
2009-04-17 00:52 <bechamel> if the invoice reach the "open" state, the purchase/sale doesn't care anymore
2009-04-17 00:53 <yangoon> bechamel: nevertheless we (i.e. the germans;) need a procedure which takes care of an opened invoice, but invalidating the same document, not creating a new one.
2009-04-17 00:54 <bechamel> no sorry, the workflow of the purchase take care of the invoice until the payment
2009-04-17 00:55 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: I gotta go out for a bit, I'll be back later today and tomorrow, so tell me if you want to me to read over more stuff.
2009-04-17 00:56 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: ok, thanks again
2009-04-17 00:57 <bechamel> yangoon: if i understand correctly you need an invoice specific features, the one on the text is only about purchase and sale orders
2009-04-17 00:58 <yangoon> bechamel: yes. that's it
2009-04-17 00:58 <yangoon> bechamel: the most experienced in this respect is timitos, he has already put a doc together on
2009-04-17 00:58 <bechamel> yangoon: moreover, once opened the invoice cannot be cancelled
2009-04-17 00:58 <yangoon> there one can see also the different handling in accounting
2009-04-17 01:00 <yangoon> bechamel: cancellation note means for me: transparent invalidation of an invoice
2009-04-17 01:00 <bechamel> yangoon: we should plan a meeting next week to talk about what we want for the next release, and prioritise
2009-04-17 01:00 <yangoon> bechamel: ack
2009-04-17 01:01 <yangoon> bechamel: I am going to slepp now, thx for your work!
2009-04-17 01:01 <bechamel> yangoon: ok, me too
2009-04-17 01:02 <bechamel> yangoon: good night :)
2009-04-17 01:02 <yangoon> bechamel: gn8!
2009-04-17 01:02 <bechamel> yangoon: :D
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2009-04-17 06:05 <CIA-48> * r567 /wiki/ Edited wiki page through web user interface.
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2009-04-17 10:14 <CIA-48> Timitos roundup * #1003/error with newest changeset at login: [new] i updated my db because of changeset f2066eca208a the update succeeded but i get this error at login [Fri Apr 17 10:10:40 2009] INFO:module ...
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2009-04-17 10:29 <CIA-48> ced roundup * #1003/error with newest changeset at login: [need-eg] Are you sure you updated the database?
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2009-04-17 11:00 <CIA-48> Timitos roundup * #1003/error with newest changeset at login: [invalid] sorry. i messed up two different dbs
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2009-04-17 11:08 <CIA-48> C?dric Krier <> default * 22:7d6c83516d27 account_be/account_be.xml: Add "Compte de r?sultats"
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2009-04-17 13:15 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: [new] Server running on Windows XP, Python 2.4 produces the attached output. I found this, when originally trying the following: python ...
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2009-04-17 13:16 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: [chatting] trytond.conf file used
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2009-04-17 13:21 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: Listing of the directory that I use to start trytond.
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2009-04-17 13:35 <CIA-48> ced roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: [testing] You should run the trytond script that must be in C:\Programme\Python\2.4\Lib\site-packages
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2009-04-17 13:47 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: Sorry - no such file in site-packages. See attached file. Install was done by calling: 1. python build 2. python install Re-i ...
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2009-04-17 13:50 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: Found: C:\Programme\Python\2.4\Scripts Maybe you mean this?
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2009-04-17 13:52 <CIA-48> ced roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: Perhaps it is in C:\Programme\Python\2.4\bin
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2009-04-17 14:02 <CIA-48> ced roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: > Found: C:\Programme\Python\2.4\Scripts > > Maybe you mean this? Yes
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2009-04-17 14:08 <CIA-48> Timitos roundup * #1005/changes of changeset 250:394d2eab7a02 on invoice.odt got lost: [new] with this changeset the presentation of taxes was changed. in the newest changeset there is the old behavior again.
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2009-04-17 14:19 <CIA-48> dbrenck roundup * #1004/ ... issue with --database?: [resolved] Fine - it works now. Ty. Do you have a few words about the trick behind? I found this: which ...
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2009-04-17 14:37 <CIA-48> C?dric Krier <> default * 341:909e89d4a917 account_invoice/ Fix key construct in get_invoice_taxes
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2009-04-17 14:37 <CIA-48> C?dric Krier <> default * 342:76d33858d2c6 account_invoice/invoice.odt: Re-add sequence_number on invoice.odt which was lost for issue1005
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2009-04-17 14:37 <CIA-48> ced roundup * #1005/changes of changeset 250:394d2eab7a02 on invoice.odt got lost: [resolved] Fix with changeset 76d33858d2c6
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2009-04-17 16:39 <bechamel> hello all, i've created an intro to the list of new features. This spot and explain the moste intersting one:
2009-04-17 16:40 <bechamel> the extensive list ( will follow it
2009-04-17 16:59 <carlos> bechamel: it's much better now. Good job!
2009-04-17 17:01 <bechamel> carlos: thanks
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2009-04-17 18:01 <bechamel> here is the complete text with intro and listing of features:
2009-04-17 18:02 <Timitos> bechamel: i just did some fixes on the first text:
2009-04-17 18:04 <bechamel> Timitos: thanks i will merge it
2009-04-17 18:04 <Timitos> bechamel: for historical data it would be better to write about for what it can be used or for what it is needed. i will try to do some research about this now
2009-04-17 18:05 <bechamel> Timitos: it's explained in the first point of the module section
2009-04-17 18:06 <Timitos> bechamel: as it is an eyecatcher i think we should write something about in the beginning.
2009-04-17 18:09 <bechamel> Timitos: or maybe a "see module section for an example usage"
2009-04-17 18:11 <Timitos> bechamel: i don´t think that everybody would understand this first abstract and the big advantage of this feature
2009-04-17 18:12 <bechamel> Timitos: as long as the feature is not more used, it will stay difficult to understand
2009-04-17 18:14 <Timitos> bechamel: maybe. but it we can find a good business case where it is needed everyone knowing the business case would understand that and this will push tryton i think
2009-04-17 18:15 <bechamel> Timitos: the first business case i see is precisely the invoice one
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2009-04-17 18:16 <Timitos> bechamel: yes. and now i am searching about some words why this is needed. some keywords having to do with this case
2009-04-17 18:28 <Timitos> bechamel: i found this link:
2009-04-17 18:30 <Timitos>
2009-04-17 18:31 <Timitos>
2009-04-17 18:31 <Timitos> bechamel: i think the correct term is temporal database
2009-04-17 18:32 <bechamel> Timitos: i already talk a lot with ced, and even if temporal is more popular we used "history" in the code so we choose to keep it
2009-04-17 18:33 <Timitos> maybe we can write it like this: Historical/Temporal data handling
2009-04-17 18:34 <bechamel> Timitos: and the current implementation is not exactly a temporal db at least not what is described on the wikipedia page
2009-04-17 18:34 <Timitos> bechamel: yes. you are right as it is not on database level.
2009-04-17 18:35 <bechamel> Timitos: imho the explanation is far more important thant the name we give to the feature
2009-04-17 18:35 <Timitos> bechamel: yes
2009-04-17 18:36 <Timitos> bechamel: maybe you find something useable in the last link. the mailinglist one:
2009-04-17 18:38 <bechamel> Timitos: this link use "historical" the same way
2009-04-17 19:06 <Timitos> bechamel: my proposal for this abstract: (i hope it is correct english)
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2009-04-17 20:54 <carlos> hmm
2009-04-17 20:54 <carlos> how am I supposed to regiser an invoice payment?
2009-04-17 20:56 <carlos> oh, found, I need to create something before the account statement allows me to add data...
2009-04-17 21:18 <Timitos> carlos: you should install a db without account_statement. there is a button on invoice to enter a payment on invoice form then. perhaps this is what you need
2009-04-17 21:19 <carlos> isn't account_statement to import bank statements ?
2009-04-17 21:19 <carlos> well, the base to implement such imports
2009-04-17 21:20 <Timitos> yes i think it could be the base of something like this. i didn´t recognize that you meant something like this
2009-04-17 21:22 <carlos> actually, what you told to me is exactly what I need
2009-04-17 21:22 <carlos> however, I installed account_Statement to implement the automatic import for the Spanish banks
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2009-04-17 21:23 <carlos> so I was just confirming that I was correct on my assumption ;-)
2009-04-17 21:24 <Timitos> carlos: this is a very interesting feature. we should try to create a generic base for such imports
2009-04-17 21:27 <Timitos> the first problem is that the account is required on account_statement and you cannot know this when importing the bank statement lines.
2009-04-17 21:29 <carlos> hmm, then, account_statement is only useful to introduce that information manually?
2009-04-17 21:29 <Timitos> the next problem i see is that some payments could be an amount related to more than one invoice. but this is perhaps not really a problem as reconiliation can be made later
2009-04-17 21:29 <Timitos> for the moment: yes
2009-04-17 21:31 <Timitos> carlos: i think we also would need some different behavior in editable list because you need an easy way to browse through existing records and entering missing data to them
2009-04-17 21:38 <carlos> I see
2009-04-17 21:41 <Timitos> i have to go now. cu
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2009-04-17 22:44 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: hi
2009-04-17 22:44 <vengfulsquirrel> hey
2009-04-17 22:45 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: I have added a more user-friendly text on top of the existing one :
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2009-04-17 23:05 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: Okay I'm reading over it
2009-04-17 23:05 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: great thanks
2009-04-17 23:42 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: Do you mean translating custom reports? "Better support for translating reports which are overwritten by a custom report."
2009-04-17 23:44 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: yes there a problem when overloading a report, the strings of the new report weren't available in the list of strings to translate
2009-04-17 23:46 <vengfulsquirrel> So custom reports can now be translated?
2009-04-17 23:47 <vengfulsquirrel> "- Better support for translating custom reports."
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2009-04-17 23:53 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: it was not a problem with all custom report, only with overloading of existing one

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