IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2010-04-06 #tryton log beginning Tue Apr 6 00:00:02 CEST 2010
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2010-04-06 13:12 <cheche> morning...
2010-04-06 13:13 <cheche> I am trying to print my first invoice but I get an error saying "no period defeind for this date"
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2010-04-06 13:14 <yangoon> cheche: you can do it under 'Fiscal Years'
2010-04-06 13:19 <cheche> yangoon: thanks, BTW what are those secuence all about?
2010-04-06 13:21 <cheche> It complains about debit account on journal missing.
2010-04-06 13:22 <cheche> Is there a way for me to donwload the Open chart of accounts and Chart of taxes for Spain?
2010-04-06 13:31 <paepke> cheche, the sequences are for invoice numbers and stuff. to have the different vouchers separated.
2010-04-06 13:31 <paepke> cheche, spain chart of accountd don't know.
2010-04-06 13:33 <cheche> paepke: what is the meaning of Post Move sequence?
2010-04-06 13:34 <udono> cheche: hi,
2010-04-06 13:34 <cheche> I do understant customer invoice and supplier invoice. but I am not sure what is the meaning of credit note sequence
2010-04-06 13:34 <cheche> hi udono
2010-04-06 13:35 <paepke> cheche, credit note is when you get back some supplied goods. and you have to pay back the customer. and vice versa.
2010-04-06 13:36 <cheche> ah ok.
2010-04-06 13:36 <udono> cheche: Post move sequence is the numbering format of the accounting moves. A move contains one or more move lines. moves are like the atoms of accounting. Their balance must be zero.
2010-04-06 13:36 <cheche> got it.
2010-04-06 13:36 <yangoon> cheche COA for Spain -> aks to carlos
2010-04-06 13:38 <cheche> carlos at ?
2010-04-06 13:38 <yangoon> chyes
2010-04-06 13:38 <yangoon> cheche: yes
2010-04-06 13:40 <cheche> yangoon: ok, I have drop him and email
2010-04-06 13:41 <udono> cheche:
2010-04-06 13:41 <udono>
2010-04-06 13:44 <cheche> udono: how do you import that module under tryton?
2010-04-06 13:45 <udono> cheche: go to and download them as zip or tar.gz
2010-04-06 13:46 <udono> cheche: then you need to put the modules into the trytond/modules folder
2010-04-06 13:48 <cheche> udono: I guess that the right folder is this one: /usr/share/python-support/tryton-server/trytond/modules/
2010-04-06 13:49 <udono> cheche: I don't know, but it looks good
2010-04-06 13:49 <yangoon> cheche: you didi install by, correct?
2010-04-06 13:51 <cheche> no, I used the debian packages that dba set up yesterday.
2010-04-06 13:51 <cheche>
2010-04-06 13:51 <udono> cheche: ... and be warned: these modules are not released yet. Expect any kind of problems...
2010-04-06 13:51 <cheche> udono: I am just evaluating the program
2010-04-06 13:52 <cheche> I want to know: How easy is to replace as a sales managment.
2010-04-06 13:55 <cheche> for a small company
2010-04-06 13:57 <cheche> I found very very easy to setup tryton with those packages. but I got a bit lost, my intention is at least docummented on my blog ... so no worries if something does not quite work
2010-04-06 13:59 <udono> cheche: where to find your blog?
2010-04-06 14:01 <udono> sorry, Ic
2010-04-06 14:01 <cheche> nah
2010-04-06 14:04 <cheche> I do not know how to install that account module
2010-04-06 14:04 <cheche> I have got this error:
2010-04-06 14:04 <cheche> error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('trytond<0.10')
2010-04-06 14:05 <cheche> ERROR:modules:account_es_2008:Module not found!
2010-04-06 14:06 <udono> cheche: so the module seems to old
2010-04-06 14:06 <udono> cheche: are you willing to edit text files with an editor?
2010-04-06 14:06 <cheche> sure
2010-04-06 14:07 <udono> cheche: which version of tryton you use?
2010-04-06 14:07 <cheche> Tryton 1.4.3
2010-04-06 14:08 <udono> cheche: edit modules/account_es_2008/ and replace 'version'... with 'version': '1.4.0',
2010-04-06 14:09 <udono> cheche: but I am unsure if the containing data in the module really work for trytond version 1.4.0...
2010-04-06 14:11 <cheche> error: Setup script exited with error: build/bdist.linux-i686-py2.5_ucs4/dumb/egenix_mx_base-3.1.3-py2.5.egg-info: Is a directory
2010-04-06 14:12 <cheche> udono: just a question... to create and print an invoice is this Chart needed?
2010-04-06 14:12 <udono> cheche: which you are using: account_es_abbreviated or account_es_regular ?
2010-04-06 14:12 <udono> cheche: no, you always can use the included minimal account chart
2010-04-06 14:13 <udono> cheche: you need a localized chart only for serious bookkeeping...
2010-04-06 14:13 <cheche> udono: account_es_abbreviated as I thought that could be more simple
2010-04-06 14:14 <cheche> ok, udono, if I want to print an invoice what should be the standard procedure that I need to follow.
2010-04-06 14:14 <cheche> After you install all the requiered modules
2010-04-06 14:15 <cheche> I create the company info
2010-04-06 14:15 <udono> cheche: ok. So when you only want to test invoice, just create a fiscal year and create sequences and periods.
2010-04-06 14:15 <udono> all be done under Financial Management > configuration > fiscalyear
2010-04-06 14:16 <cheche> I just did that
2010-04-06 14:16 <udono> cheche: ok, do you have a customer party?
2010-04-06 14:16 <cheche> I did one for testing
2010-04-06 14:17 <udono> cheche: create a payment term for this party under the parties tab accounting
2010-04-06 14:17 <udono> cheche: sth like 10 days net
2010-04-06 14:18 <cheche> I did a cash payment 0 days and 100%
2010-04-06 14:20 <udono> cheche: the percentages are used for partial payings. better use for the beginning: remainder 0 days, Net days
2010-04-06 14:21 <cheche> ok. diferent ERP use diferent way to achive the same.
2010-04-06 14:21 <udono> cheche: did the party have account_payable and account_receivable setup?
2010-04-06 14:22 <udono> cheche: also in tab accounting
2010-04-06 14:23 <cheche> ok. I am creating a new database with all your steps... sorry if I am a vbit slow.
2010-04-06 14:24 <udono> cheche: o need for a new database... but if you like.
2010-04-06 14:25 <cheche> udono: thanks, But mostly I want to documented what is supposed to be the correct procedure
2010-04-06 14:26 <cheche> creating a user is a must?
2010-04-06 14:27 <udono> cheche: yes
2010-04-06 14:28 <udono> cheche: Great when you document the first install procedure for creating an invoice in Tryton !
2010-04-06 14:30 <udono> cheche: applying a company and a chart of accounts and the default accounts in the first install wizard is also highly recommended
2010-04-06 14:32 <cheche> ok. just one question when create an invoice what is the account Main cash?
2010-04-06 14:33 <udono> cheche: where to find?
2010-04-06 14:34 <udono> cheche: main cash is the account of your bank or cash book for payments.
2010-04-06 14:34 <cheche> Financial M > New Invoice
2010-04-06 14:35 <udono> cheche: you mean on tab Other Info, Account
2010-04-06 14:35 <udono> ?
2010-04-06 14:36 <cheche> on Invoice Line for each product you have an account
2010-04-06 14:38 <udono> cheche: ah, ok. Here you put main Revenue
2010-04-06 14:39 <udono> ACTION hopefully
2010-04-06 14:39 <cheche> udono: ok, is just that looks odd
2010-04-06 14:40 <cheche> I think that on the first setup wizard the fiscal years should be added.
2010-04-06 14:41 <cheche> ok. I am going to get a break... come back later.
2010-04-06 14:41 <udono> cheche: see you
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2010-04-06 15:28 <cheche> What is the meaning of: The debit account on journal is missing!
2010-04-06 15:29 <cheche> Do I need to create a debit account?
2010-04-06 15:35 <udono> cheche: journal is Revenue?
2010-04-06 15:39 <cheche> How do I find out? I can click on journal an 4 types of journals are created. Cash; Expense; Revenue ; Stock;
2010-04-06 15:40 <cheche> Finantial M> Configuration> Journals
2010-04-06 15:41 <cheche> I get this error when I am trying to get an invoice pay I select Cash as the payment
2010-04-06 15:43 <cheche> But I have not define any Default credit account of Default debit Account
2010-04-06 15:43 <cheche> But I have not define any Default credit account of Default debit Account on the Type of Payment
2010-04-06 15:51 <udono> cheche: so you can post an invoice?
2010-04-06 15:51 <udono> cheche: the problem coms on pay invoice?
2010-04-06 15:57 <cheche> udono: the problem comes on pay invoice.. To fixed I need to go to open the Cash Journal and select Default credit account
2010-04-06 15:58 <cheche> What should be the right value on Default credit account?
2010-04-06 15:58 <udono> cheche: yes, I understand. Our rule of thumb is to have for each bank account or petty cash you use, creating an own cash journal with own default accounts.
2010-04-06 16:00 <cheche> so I need to create another Journal for Cash/Bank account right?
2010-04-06 16:01 <udono> cheche: yes, this would be good
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2010-04-06 17:24 <cheche> The only way of translate invoice.odt is modifing that file right?
2010-04-06 17:41 <udono> cheche: no
2010-04-06 17:42 <udono> cheche: try to play with the language of your customer party, and create a new invoice with him
2010-04-06 17:42 <udono> cheche: tryton has a very sophisticated translation process for reports.
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2010-04-06 17:44 <udono> cheche: spanish language is already included in the report translation.
2010-04-06 17:44 <cheche> udono: ok. Learning right now.. What is the meaing of invoice on the party form?
2010-04-06 17:44 <udono> cheche: "of invoice on the party form" has no meaning ;-)
2010-04-06 17:45 <udono> cheche: ah, ic
2010-04-06 17:45 <udono> cheche: it has a meaning: an adress marked with invoice will be used as invoice adress
2010-04-06 17:45 <cheche> ahhhhhhhhh
2010-04-06 17:45 <cheche> ok
2010-04-06 17:46 <cheche> got it
2010-04-06 17:46 <udono> cheche: but try out the language selector below and create a new invoice or print a draft invoice.
2010-04-06 17:47 <cheche> strange wording anyway. you have as well on addresses:" Set to default value; Set as default; " a bit misleading
2010-04-06 17:48 <udono> cheche: this is explained in the client doc
2010-04-06 17:49 <udono> /is/should be/
2010-04-06 17:49 <cheche> udono: sorry about that... I am asking too much.
2010-04-06 17:50 <cheche> is not finished yet.. but close..
2010-04-06 17:50 <cheche> is in spanish sorry....
2010-04-06 17:50 <udono> cheche: having the sam in german language :-)
2010-04-06 17:51 <udono> cheche: after release we could try to put our stuff together in english language.
2010-04-06 17:51 <cheche> sure!, I mean, I can write in english that page as well, but creating the images is a bit tedious.
2010-04-06 17:52 <udono> cheche: you can set user side defaults for all fields in forms. So "set as default" set the actual content of a field as a default for this fild in further use.
2010-04-06 17:52 <cheche> plus, I am only trying to test this software for basic usage
2010-04-06 17:52 <udono> cheche: yeah, no problem.
2010-04-06 17:53 <cheche> udono: thanks for the tip there... Well I think that "invoice" need to be expanded for people to understant
2010-04-06 17:53 <udono> Set to 'default value' can be used when you have put other contents to a field and want to re-set the default value.
2010-04-06 17:54 <udono> cheche: yes, we need a lot of tooltips
2010-04-06 17:55 <cheche> udono: do you think that i can open a bug for this?, I think that only expand it to "use for invoice" should be enough
2010-04-06 17:57 <cheche> udono: still not able to see the invoice in spanish...
2010-04-06 17:57 <udono> cheche: Iam unsure. As a field name I find invoice enough. As a tool tip it could be 'Mark this address as the invoice address'
2010-04-06 17:57 <udono> cheche: did you create a new invoice?
2010-04-06 17:58 <udono> it must be in state draft.
2010-04-06 17:58 <udono> cheche: an already posted or paied invoice will not be changing
2010-04-06 17:59 <cheche> udono: well, somehow I need the invoice to be in spanish.. I want to print something that makes sense to customers :)
2010-04-06 18:00 <udono> cheche: It is no problem in Tryton. Iam very sure it works, since I used it last week on the open Expo exibition.
2010-04-06 18:01 <udono> cheche: what is your language you use in tryton?
2010-04-06 18:01 <cheche> Español
2010-04-06 18:01 <cheche> (Spanish)
2010-04-06 18:02 <udono> cheche: and the client shows everything in spanish?
2010-04-06 18:02 <cheche> well, I have change so I can explain to you the names.. maybe I need to logout
2010-04-06 18:02 <cheche> yes...
2010-04-06 18:02 <udono> cheche: which language you choose at database creation?
2010-04-06 18:03 <cheche> pufff..... not sure... I have create a few data bases...
2010-04-06 18:03 <cheche> Spanish... is on the image on the blog..
2010-04-06 18:03 <udono> Check Administration > localisation > languages. Spanish need to have set the translatable flag.
2010-04-06 18:04 <cheche> yes, it has
2010-04-06 18:05 <udono> cheche: looks spanish to me
2010-04-06 18:05 <cheche> ok... maybe I have screw up somehow... hold on
2010-04-06 18:06 <udono> cheche: choose on the party language español, save the party and try to create a new invoice.
2010-04-06 18:07 <udono> cheche: other possibility is that you need to start Administration > localisation > Set report translations
2010-04-06 18:08 <cheche> The party did not have any language...
2010-04-06 18:09 <udono> cheche: on party, tab 'general' there is a selection 'idioma'
2010-04-06 18:10 <udono> in spanish language...
2010-04-06 18:13 <udono> cheche: afk bbl
2010-04-06 18:16 <cheche> udono: ?
2010-04-06 18:18 <cheche> udono: looks like is working now the invoice in spanish
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2010-04-06 18:31 <cheche> jeje, is on google:
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2010-04-06 18:35 <udono> cheche: that's quick
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2010-04-06 20:31 <cheche> how do you import products/invoices on tryton?
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2010-04-06 23:55 <cheche> carlos: I have sent you an email...
2010-04-06 23:56 <cheche> what is the right procedure to change the invoice document, It looks a bit basic.

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