IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2012-08-15 #tryton log beginning Wed Aug 15 00:00:01 CEST 2012
2012-08-15 00:37 <arpampa> hi, where i can download compiled neso 2.4 for windows, the link at the download page is not working
2012-08-15 00:38 <arpampa> this is the link not working
2012-08-15 00:40 <cedk> arpampa:
2012-08-15 00:42 <arpampa> thank you cedk, i will wait to the problem is fixed
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2012-08-15 09:05 <scrapper> hello trytons, is it already possible to do bulk "Post" in account module for moves? Or do I have to manually go through each move and press the "Post" button?
2012-08-15 09:06 <scrapper> (to switch from "Move - Draft - State" to "Move - Post - State".)
2012-08-15 10:46 <shomon> hi
2012-08-15 10:47 <shomon> I have been trying to upgrade modules, and am now stuck in a loop. I just installed some stocktaking modules yesterday, but it resulted in an error: some modules were different versions or had dependencies which didn't work
2012-08-15 10:47 <shomon> so I upgraded trytond and have been since trying to run the database upgrade too
2012-08-15 10:48 <shomon> at the moment if I upgrade it either gives an error on the contract module, looking for ModelWorkFlow, or on the stock_supply module...
2012-08-15 10:49 <shomon> Exception: stock_supply_forecast unmet dependencies: ['stock_supply']
2012-08-15 10:49 <shomon> if I upgrade or try and uninstall stock_supply or stock_supply_forecast it just gives the modelworkflow error again :S
2012-08-15 11:33 <cedk> shomon: you must have only modules with the same 2 first version number
2012-08-15 11:39 <scrapper> no bulk convert from "Draft" to "Post" in account module for Tryton yet? :-(
2012-08-15 11:40 <scrapper> so account moves have to be set from "Draft" to "Post" manually.
2012-08-15 11:41 <scrapper> which is big action if you have errors go back to DB backup and have to redo this multiple times...
2012-08-15 11:43 <cedk> scrapper: patch is welcome
2012-08-15 11:44 <cedk> scrapper: I think a wizard could do the job
2012-08-15 11:44 <scrapper> cedk: sure i know, we all give our best.
2012-08-15 11:45 <scrapper> cedk: i am not sure if there is internet connection in prison, but if i can't finish my job here... maybe i can tell you in some weeks ;-)
2012-08-15 11:46 <scrapper> cedk: but thanks for the tip with the wizard, maybe i can do this for finalising 2012.
2012-08-15 11:50 <shomon> cedk, thanks - what would you suggest to reset it somehow?
2012-08-15 11:51 <scrapper> shomon: reinstall. or fiddle arround.
2012-08-15 11:51 <cedk> shomon: the simpler is to deinstall all and make a clean one
2012-08-15 11:51 <scrapper> shomon: always backup your DB (+system)
2012-08-15 11:51 <shomon> :)
2012-08-15 11:51 <shomon> oh no...
2012-08-15 11:51 <shomon> can I get back to the database I have now?
2012-08-15 11:52 <scrapper> shomon: if its not broken... yes
2012-08-15 11:52 <scrapper> shomon: backup your postgresql DB.
2012-08-15 11:52 <scrapper> shomon: and pray that your data is consistent.
2012-08-15 15:37 <rhubner> cedk: Hi!
2012-08-15 15:38 <rhubner> cedk: I'd like to talk about the points you suggested...
2012-08-15 15:38 <cedk> rhubner: yeps
2012-08-15 15:40 <rhubner> cedk: timeline much more smaller? what must be smaller?
2012-08-15 15:40 <cedk> rhubner: all, now it takes half of the screen
2012-08-15 15:41 <rhubner> I would put a version today that the user can indicate the number of pages that want to see
2012-08-15 15:42 <cedk> rhubner: I repeat for me, timeline must apply on the group not record so there should have no pages
2012-08-15 15:44 <rhubner> cedk: But if it have many pages will get ugly, will not fit, regardless of the size scale...
2012-08-15 15:45 <cedk> rhubner: I find the HScale not working well for this purpose
2012-08-15 15:46 <cedk> in term of usability
2012-08-15 15:48 <rhubner> cedk: But what could I use it? I spent time on the scale, I thought I could improve it...
2012-08-15 15:49 <cedk> rhubner: it is up to you but we need something that eases to define a datetime
2012-08-15 15:51 <cedk> rhubner: also haing fixed point on the scale will not work when display on the list
2012-08-15 15:55 <cedk> rhubner: do you think you can make a HScale without fixed point, that scroll infinitly?
2012-08-15 15:58 <cedk> rhubner:
2012-08-15 15:59 <cedk>
2012-08-15 16:01 <rhubner> cedk: But I thought I had made ​​the way you asked! Not to have pages... But when the scale reaches the limit, loads new dates
2012-08-15 16:02 <cedk> rhubner: what I just tested have pages
2012-08-15 16:02 <cedk> rhubner: you even put "Pages 1/2"
2012-08-15 16:04 <rhubner> cedk: but this is bad?
2012-08-15 16:04 <cedk> rhubner: for me, I find it weird
2012-08-15 16:05 <cedk> rhubner: what is weird, a timeline is based on time which is continuous and here it just has step
2012-08-15 16:05 <rhubner> cedk:I think I still doot understand, if you have many dates will not fit on one page... going to get ugly!
2012-08-15 16:06 <cedk> rhubner: there is no dates !
2012-08-15 16:06 <cedk>
2012-08-15 16:06 <cedk> rhubner: time is infinite
2012-08-15 16:07 <shomon> if you were to set up tryton in development and production servers, what's the best setup? replication on the db, or just dump and import every so often?
2012-08-15 16:07 <shomon> also to install modules, I wonder what's the best way that doesn't mess everything up :)
2012-08-15 16:12 <cedk> rhubner: do you understand when I say time is infinite?
2012-08-15 16:13 <cedk> rhubner: you can put any datetime in the context when reading a record
2012-08-15 16:13 <rhubner> cedk: Sorry... but i think not
2012-08-15 16:13 <cedk> rhubner: I could want to browse my records how they was a week ago
2012-08-15 16:16 <cedk> rhubner: display the revision is good but I think it has a better place in the record logs
2012-08-15 16:16 <rhubner> cedk: explain me how it would in scale ... I need an example to better understand
2012-08-15 16:16 <cedk> rhubner: and a timeline should not be limited to revisions
2012-08-15 16:17 <cedk> rhubner: I'm not sure a scale is the best tool to use
2012-08-15 16:17 <cedk> rhubner: I just want to see on the tab a place to put a datetime
2012-08-15 16:17 <cedk> rhubner: if it is via a Scale or a entry or what else, it is fine
2012-08-15 16:18 <cedk> but it must be usable, easy to understand, userfriendly
2012-08-15 16:21 <rhubner> cedk: Add a combobox with all the dates of history would be good?
2012-08-15 16:22 <cedk> rhubner: no, I want to enter any date
2012-08-15 16:22 <cedk> rhubner: because it must apply on the list
2012-08-15 16:24 <rhubner> cedk: how the user will know what date to put?
2012-08-15 16:24 <cedk> rhubner: he will now because he knows what he is looking for
2012-08-15 16:25 <cedk> rhubner: and if he wants to see all the revision, the best place for me is the record logs popup
2012-08-15 16:26 <rhubner> cedk: And what kind of "list" you're talking about? Which gtk widget this could be?
2012-08-15 16:26 <cedk> rhubner: it is the list of records in Tryton
2012-08-15 16:26 <cedk> rhubner: for example, the list of parties
2012-08-15 16:29 <rhubner> cedk: What is the way to see them?
2012-08-15 16:30 <cedk> rhubner: to see what?
2012-08-15 16:30 <rhubner> cedk: the list os parties
2012-08-15 16:30 <rhubner> of*
2012-08-15 16:32 <cedk> rhubner: click in the menu "Party>Parties"
2012-08-15 16:36 <cedk> rhubner: to summarize, the goal is just to have a way to put a datetime in the context of a screen
2012-08-15 16:38 <cedk> rhubner: and also it will be better to see in the log popup, the revisions
2012-08-15 16:39 <rhubner> cedk: Do you think I can leave the scale and add a textentry user manually add a date?
2012-08-15 16:39 <cedk> rhubner: why not, but the scale have to behave more like a scrollbar (without fixed point)
2012-08-15 16:40 <cedk> rhubner: I'm not against the scale but it must be more flexible and fluid
2012-08-15 16:40 <rhubner> cedk: That I did not understand: "log popup" ... what is this?
2012-08-15 16:41 <cedk> rhubner: in any view, select a record, click on the form menu, "View Logs..."
2012-08-15 16:42 <cedk> rhubner: this popup could be improved and if the Model has history, we could show the revisions information
2012-08-15 16:43 <cedk> rhubner:
2012-08-15 16:47 <cedk> rhubner: bbl in 1 hour
2012-08-15 17:30 <cedk> rhubner: back
2012-08-15 17:30 <rhubner> cedk: ok
2012-08-15 17:33 <rhubner> cedk: I was thinking, how the user will know to put an exact date in the text input? datetime has milliseconds...
2012-08-15 17:34 <gour> i'm looking for adequate invoicing (quoting) app for our small 'business' (selling homeopathic/counselling services to the clients)...all what i found is web-based and/or PHP. for personal finances we use Gnucash but it's business-part can do only invoices (no quotes) and requires fiddling with Scheme. is Tryton overkill for our needs? is it easy to learn for someone familiar with python but no openerp
2012-08-15 17:34 <gour> experience? (for our web needs we're moving/learning towards django)
2012-08-15 17:35 <cedk> rhubner: we don't care, he will put an approximation
2012-08-15 17:36 <cedk> gour: Tryton could be good for small business
2012-08-15 17:36 <rhubner> cedk: I understand...
2012-08-15 17:36 <gour> cedk: invoice module can be used for sending quotes as well?
2012-08-15 17:37 <cedk> rhubner: approximation is fine because trytond take the values from the closer in the past history
2012-08-15 17:37 <cedk> gour: you can use the "Pro-forma"
2012-08-15 17:38 <gour> cedk: does tryton do double-entry accounting as well (similar to Gnucash)?
2012-08-15 17:38 <cedk> gour: yes
2012-08-15 17:38 <rhubner> cedk: I think that I can do later this week (text entry)... But I was worried about changing the behavior of the scale ... I am the last week of coding
2012-08-15 17:38 <gour> cedk: that's means we can do our business-part books with it as well
2012-08-15 17:39 <gour> is it difficult to learn tryton to be able to customize/tweak it?
2012-08-15 17:40 <cedk> gour: you have to know Python
2012-08-15 17:40 <gour> cedk: ok. hsve to go afk. bbl
2012-08-15 17:47 <rhubner> cedk: what do you think about? i am worried about the time left..
2012-08-15 17:48 <cedk> rhubner: why not, but the scale must not have fixed point
2012-08-15 17:49 <rhubner> cedk: Ok .. I'll update the latest version I was working
2012-08-15 17:54 <rhubner> cedk: I don't know if it has how to add a non-fixed points on the scale. But I think that gives rise to the scale as the history grows and if it gets many dates, a scrollbar is turned on. did you understand?
2012-08-15 17:56 <cedk> rhubner: yes I don't know
2012-08-15 17:58 <rhubner> cedk: the problem is: I don't know if it will be done in time by the end of GSoC.
2012-08-15 17:59 <cedk> rhubner: we will see, it is not a real issue
2012-08-15 17:59 <rhubner> cedk: I think the text entry I can do this week, but the behavior of scale I think not
2012-08-15 17:59 <cedk> rhubner: better to have something not finish but in good way than something finished but not usable
2012-08-15 18:00 <rhubner> cedk: Only if I go back to work on the scale after the program...
2012-08-15 18:01 <cedk> rhubner: if it is not you, it will be someone else who will finish/polish
2012-08-15 18:02 <rhubner> cedk: I can keep working on it quietly later. This is not a problem for me
2012-08-15 18:04 <rhubner> cedk: But you think what I've done so far is enough to pass in the deadline of GSoC?
2012-08-15 18:05 <cedk> rhubner: I don't know, it is nicolas who decides
2012-08-15 18:12 <rhubner> cedk: I think that there's no way to leave non-fixed points on the scale ... Now it was complicated :(
2012-08-15 18:18 <rhubner> I don't know how to do this...
2012-08-15 18:18 <cedk> rhubner: me neither
2012-08-15 18:21 <rhubner> cedk: I'll update the latest version and try to do something that you said. Anyway, Nicolas back on vacation after the deadline... I'll be without knowing if this is enough.
2012-08-15 18:25 <rhubner> cedk: do you think that no needs to show anything in the marks of the scale?
2012-08-15 18:25 <cedk> rhubner: no, if you have a datetime field
2012-08-15 18:26 <rhubner> cedk: if it have a text entry?
2012-08-15 18:27 <rhubner> cedk: I'll try to make a text entry with autocomplete... is this good?
2012-08-15 18:27 <cedk> rhubner: use the datetime widget from tryton/common
2012-08-15 18:29 <rhubner> cedk: ok... I'll try... thank you!
2012-08-15 20:38 <rhubner> cedk: Is not it strange to put all the dates on the scale without marks and labels? Your idea is not to use any information on the scale and move the cursor on the scale continuously or at least the marks without the labels to indicate each date?
2012-08-15 21:22 <cedk> rhubner: yes nothing on the scale because the datetime entry will have the info
2012-08-15 21:36 <diegoM> Hi, my client want to have a default invoice's description (the sale's description). Is this a good idea?
2012-08-15 21:45 <rhubner> cedk: when I add a date in the entry, it is interesting to move the cursor at the correct point on the scale? Yes, right?
2012-08-15 21:47 <rhubner> cedk: I think I can implement this change this week... is it easy to work with datetime widget of tryton.common? Is there any example using it?
2012-08-15 21:48 <cedk> rhubner: for moving, yes it will be good behavior
2012-08-15 21:49 <cedk> rhubner: for widget, it is an inherit of gtk.Entry
2012-08-15 21:50 <rhubner> cedk: is there autocomplete of date in this widget?
2012-08-15 21:56 <cedk> rhubner: not autocompletion but it allows only datetime values
2012-08-15 21:57 <cedk> rhubner: look at any Model that has a datetime fields to see it
2012-08-15 22:07 <rhubner> cedk: haaa ... I saw in account moves... this widget open a calendar... but the "hour" doesnt need?
2012-08-15 22:09 <rhubner> cedk: or when I add a date it selects the first record with that date regardless of the time?
2012-08-15 22:09 <rhubner> cedk: did you understand my question?
2012-08-15 22:15 <rhubner> cedk: the entry of date selects the first date matched?

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