IRC logs of #tryton for Wednesday, 2013-01-30 #tryton log beginning Wed Jan 30 00:00:01 CET 2013
2013-01-30 05:13 -!- sharoonthomas(~sharoonth@ has left #tryton
2013-01-30 12:05 <sisalp> hello, I have a question about product variants
2013-01-30 12:05 <sisalp> I see product template and product
2013-01-30 12:06 <sisalp> but can we generate models based on options or variants ?
2013-01-30 12:06 <sisalp> I mean attributes (size, color ...)
2013-01-30 12:07 <sisalp> not sure I'm clear, the request is for a clothes store
2013-01-30 12:09 <cedk> sisalp: there is no standard module for that
2013-01-30 12:09 <cedk> sisalp: there is a prototype on codereview from grasbauer
2013-01-30 12:10 <cedk>
2013-01-30 12:10 <cedk> sisalp: but it is difficult to have a generic module I think
2013-01-30 12:11 <cedk> sisalp: it is really easy to write one generator (if the definition is easy :-))
2013-01-30 12:15 <sisalp> cedk: thank you it answers my question and it's good to know grabauer is the man
2013-01-30 12:16 <sisalp> cedk: it's probably easy, at least for you ;-)
2013-01-30 12:16 <sisalp> cedk: but I prefer working with someone who already thought about it, and if possible to fund him on a customer project
2013-01-30 12:17 <sisalp> cedk: where on should I go to find this answer instead of asking you ?
2013-01-30 12:19 <sisalp> cedk: I agree on the fact that it probably cannot standardize enough to get supported as official module
2013-01-30 12:20 <cedk> sisalp: normally people shoud announce such work on contrib mailing list
2013-01-30 12:21 <cedk> sisalp: after that, we can not promote something that is just a POC
2013-01-30 12:21 <cedk> sisalp: once there are releases, they should be published on PyPI
2013-01-30 12:22 <sisalp> cedk: so my first step is to register to contrib mailing list
2013-01-30 12:24 <sisalp> cedk: today I strive to get new users to Tryton, and I often need to identify who would be the best to meet a specific requirement
2013-01-30 12:25 <sisalp> cedk: a kind of market place would help me.
2013-01-30 12:26 <yangoon1> sisalp:
2013-01-30 12:26 -!- ciupicri(~ciupicri@unaffiliated/ciupicri) has left #tryton
2013-01-30 12:27 <yangoon1> sisalp: for 2.6 look at the forks
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2013-01-30 12:29 <sisalp> yangoon1: I read this : Mathias Behrle forked product_variant as yangoon/product_variant
2013-01-30 12:30 <sisalp> yangoon1: and feel lost about the process which leads to several variants of product_varaints
2013-01-30 12:31 <sisalp> yangoon1: does it mean you added something specific to mathias module ?
2013-01-30 12:33 <cedk> sisalp: a market exists only if there are products. In software dev, products are releases and for Tryton they should be find on PyPI
2013-01-30 12:35 <sisalp> cedk: I'm often more looking for skills than products because a skilled man will do the job well
2013-01-30 12:35 <sisalp> cedk: so the author of a similar or same module is a skilled man
2013-01-30 12:36 <yangoon> sisalp: my intention was to point you to
2013-01-30 12:36 <yangoon> they forgot to include grasbauer in COPYRIGHT, but it is on this base
2013-01-30 12:37 <yangoon> and this module is on PyPi
2013-01-30 12:37 <sisalp> yangoon: apart from looking at the code, how to identify the right target ?
2013-01-30 12:38 <cedk> sisalp: you should look at but not sure everyone maintain his skills
2013-01-30 12:38 <yangoon> sisalp: what do you mean by 'right target'?
2013-01-30 12:40 <sisalp> yangoon: the best man and the best software, and the one we should fund to improve the functionnality.
2013-01-30 12:42 <yangoon> sisalp: for me the way is to look at the qualitiy of the work and to contact authors to get an impression
2013-01-30 12:43 <sisalp> cedk: I know these people ( seems having gone to 404) and I'm willing to work with all of them.
2013-01-30 12:44 <yangoon> and quality of work means the support of the customer in every respect
2013-01-30 12:44 <sisalp> cedk: yangoon: but while tryton is growing, just knowing everybody becomes difficult.
2013-01-30 12:46 <yangoon> sisalp: I think it is as always: you have to invest the time to find the people you are trusting, that they will accomplish your requirements
2013-01-30 12:46 <sisalp> yangoon: customer support is N1 and N2 support levels, I'm looking frst N3 support level: the author.
2013-01-30 12:46 <yangoon> once you have found them, you will stay with them
2013-01-30 12:48 <yangoon> sisalp: its always customer, if its level 1 or 3
2013-01-30 12:48 <cedk> sisalp: the sucess story idea on the website could also help you in the future
2013-01-30 12:49 <sisalp> yangoon: in my organization, N3 is not funded by customer, but you may imagine something else.
2013-01-30 12:49 <cedk> sisalp: but I think for now, most of the people arround Tryton are not really specialized (except on Tryton)
2013-01-30 12:52 <sisalp> cedk: but some have proven to be excellent on some areas (GIS, ecommerce, medical, ...) and I aim at leveraging this advantage
2013-01-30 12:52 <cedk> sisalp: I think if they should expose it on their description on service page
2013-01-30 12:53 <cedk> sisalp: or you can try to get them on linkedin (or similar) where you can manage skills of people
2013-01-30 12:53 <sisalp> cedk: I think we agree, and process will probably improve with new commers
2013-01-30 12:54 <cedk> sisalp: we could imagine also add some sort of tags on service page
2013-01-30 12:55 <cedk> sisalp: like medical, ecommerce etc.
2013-01-30 12:55 <cedk> sisalp: but again it will be only based on what people tell
2013-01-30 12:55 <sisalp> cedk: in a short time futur, TUL will not be enough to know everybody.
2013-01-30 12:55 <cedk> sisalp: I hope so
2013-01-30 12:56 <cedk> sisalp: and in some way, it is already the case, I got patches from people I don't know
2013-01-30 12:56 <sisalp> cedk: I don't have a solution either, maybe a list ?
2013-01-30 12:57 <cedk> sisalp: nicoe started to work on a layout website over PyPI where you could create a trusted network of people and review
2013-01-30 12:58 <sisalp> cedk: nicoe: +1
2013-01-30 12:59 <sisalp> cedk: probably TUC_2013 will be the time to structure community collaboration, don't you think ?
2013-01-30 13:00 <cedk> sisalp: I think it is hard to structure community in FOSS
2013-01-30 13:01 <cedk> sisalp: I think the best we can do is providing the tools in the hope people will use it
2013-01-30 13:01 <cedk> sisalp: we can force people to use bugtracker, codereview because otherwise patches are not included
2013-01-30 13:02 <cedk> sisalp: but for external modules (without purpose to be in the core), it is very hard
2013-01-30 13:02 <cedk> sisalp: because there are no constraints
2013-01-30 13:02 <sisalp> cedk: +1, technical tools + guidelines + promotion of good players will do the job I think
2013-01-30 13:02 <cedk> sisalp: so we should build the best tools to get people using it
2013-01-30 13:03 <cedk> sisalp: yes for me, first guideline is *make releases*
2013-01-30 13:04 <cedk> sisalp: I wanted to make a talk at TUL2012 about the subject but not enough time :-(
2013-01-30 13:04 <cedk> ACTION Lunch
2013-01-30 13:05 <sisalp> cedk: agree, second should consider organizing shared developement by several contributors, imho, or is it a dumb proposal ?
2013-01-30 13:17 <rmu> generic product attributes really is a broad topic. I also have a fork of the grasbauer-version of product_variant on bitbucket, but i have some very special needs ;-)
2013-01-30 13:18 <rmu> this was started before tryton_contrib mailinglist. and i can probably only maintain a version for the tryton-version that is deployed here (2.6 at the moment)
2013-01-30 13:47 <cedk> udono: I will not answer to your email about netiquette because it doesn't respect the netiquette
2013-01-30 13:49 <udono> cedk: No problem, it is ok for me.
2013-01-30 13:50 <cedk> udono: by the way, moderation as we do doesn't prevent free speech
2013-01-30 13:50 <cedk> udono: proof, the message landed in the mailing list at the end
2013-01-30 13:50 <udono> cedk: avoid cross posting.
2013-01-30 13:51 <cedk> udono: I don't post
2013-01-30 16:07 <sharoonthomas> cedk: I have a patch for services page with info about openlabs
2013-01-30 16:07 <sharoonthomas> cedk: when i try to run the site locally, it says that messages_ca folder is missing
2013-01-30 16:07 <sharoonthomas> cedk: how do i generate those ?
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2013-01-30 17:35 <cedk> sharoonthomas: you need a patch applied on trunk version
2013-01-30 17:36 <sharoonthomas> cedk: where is the trunk version ?
2013-01-30 17:39 <cedk> sharoonthomas: I think it is on github
2013-01-30 17:39 <cedk> sharoonthomas:
2013-01-30 17:39 <sharoonthomas> cedk: trunk version of nikola, ! ok
2013-01-30 17:45 <sisalp> hello, is there a place to get official Tryton logos white/black and black/white ?
2013-01-30 17:47 <cedk> sisalp: siteweb repo or tryton repo
2013-01-30 17:54 <sharoonthomas> cedk: I have pushed the change to code review, is there anything else i should od ? like create a bug report ?
2013-01-30 17:54 <sharoonthomas> s/od/do
2013-01-30 19:38 <plantian> hi guys, how does this wizard actually know to print in this wizard?
2013-01-30 19:38 <plantian> Is it just because of the keyword that lead to the wizard starting in the first place?
2013-01-30 19:40 <cedk> plantian: don't understand the question
2013-01-30 19:43 <plantian> cedk: I think I understand now, the action "", means create this report and send it to the printer.
2013-01-30 19:44 <plantian> Sorry I didn't see what actually caused the printing.
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